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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio now here's

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Jean Steinberg we're back at the para

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cast and we have a subject that we

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haven't dealt with in a while we're

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going to talk about Sasquatch instead of

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UFOs we've been doing so much UFO stuff

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and last week as many of our regular

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great debate our UFOs extraterrestrial

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or something else we had a great group

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of people forum members Thomas Morrison

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Robert Branstetter many of you know if

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you follow our forms as burned his state

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forum moderators talking from his

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palatial estate or Shack or whatever it

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is in Australia and we also had Marduk

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real name Jason so it was a fascinating

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continue the discussion in after the

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lots of other content okay in fact

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nice gift for the holidays by the way so

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check it out and by the way for regulars

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because we currently use PayPal and

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major credit cards and I think we can

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set up something very near future next

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month or two that would involve you the

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account so if you don't like PayPal it's

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another option plus not the power

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Casca so we're gonna take a monster hike

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a 100-mile inquiry into the Sasquatch

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mystery have an odyssey and we've asked

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April's seal to join us and explain what

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the heck is going on Averell welcome to

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the powertest Thank You G and I sure

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appreciate you having me on so tell us

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here this is kind of a background err

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did you ever have a personal experience

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or something that led you to seeking

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information about the unknown well you

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know I it's interesting how people

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approach the unknown would be it

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UFOs or this object or or many others

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you know i-i've always been open-minded

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about it and then of course you know I

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patterson-gimlin film was fresh in the

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70s and there was a wave of pop culture

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focus on Bigfoot and you know I was so I

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was aware of it in that sense and then

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it just always just interested me for

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reasons I can't entirely explain I was

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I've always been drawn to the subject

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and it kind of just seemed like the you

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know not to get to New Age about the the

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universe just kind of kept placing the

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subject in front of me saying you know

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look at this look more at this pay

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attention to this what's going on with

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this and and so I just I followed my

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curiosity about it and it led me to some

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remarkable places isn't that interesting

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about the universe how sometimes it does

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things that you wish it wouldn't do and

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other times it finds ways to take you

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into areas that actually make a lot of

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sense and I think that's the way it

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works and people have had different

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different names for it over the years

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and you know I'm a person of faith and

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so I have that connection to mystery to

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and which I talk about some in the book

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some of the parallels between faith and

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belief in mysteries like this one and

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there are a lot of parallels but but I

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had never had to answer your eternal

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aware that there were there had been a

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lot of sightings in this particular area

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and so from the first time I went out

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there and my eyes were open and my ears

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were open to the possibilities and I

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spoiler about the book but but I'll say

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that it's interesting that I don't one

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of my major themes in the book is that I

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not believed in them and I'm not known

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that they were out there according to

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would have picked up on any of the

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things that I eventually saw and heard I

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wouldn't have seen tracks I wouldn't

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have heard vocalizations I wouldn't have

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seen evidence that and I actually did

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see so it was kind of a gradual this was

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my the monster hike there that the title

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particular forest and of course the the

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biggest one the other ones had just been

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one off you know one night camping trips

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but all that time I had been my

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curiosity had been building about what

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all right let's kind of run back a

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little bit more about your background

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first of all what part of the country

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are you in I'm in Texas lifelong Texans

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there really isn't forest to speak of

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called the tamale pan scrub and it's

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mesquite and cactus and then palm trees

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that do very well down there better

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from Africa but soso forests themselves

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were kind of a novelty that I only

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discovered really and experienced in

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adulthood because growing up in the

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valley as we call it there are many

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trees that grow more than about 20 feet

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tall and those are mesquite and a couple

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of you know oak trees here and there but

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and which is in central texas in where

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that's an interesting thing here I know

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that there are these places around the

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country where people see strange

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whatever you want to call it now this

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particular area you're talking about do

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other things happen there too like UFOs

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versus strictly creatures I mean as far

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as I know you know this is I've heard

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I've heard people on other shows talk

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about dog men which sounds even if

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there's anything that could sound

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crazier than Bigfoot it's other sorts of

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hybrid type animals but you know I don't

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people seeing orbs orbs of light in

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association with Sasquatch sightings and

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that's cause and effect or if those are

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affiliated in some way but it is

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this world and and that there'll be

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aren't you know descending out of the

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sky they're just kind of appearing

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people will talk about them just kind of

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around those and I just I have no idea

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if that's causation or a correlation or

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if there's just stricto incidents that

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you know my experience I don't have any

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experience with that the reason I

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mentioned that is that Chris of course

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mysterious valley and it's supposedly a

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hot spot where lots of strange weird

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and therefore he looks into different

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thing not just well there was Bigfoot

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reporting other weird phenomena mm-hmm

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so I'm gonna ask you more about your

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background and experiences as we

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progressed so that we can get a better

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sense of your Odyssey here and I'm gonna

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ask you for your few case histories give

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people a little hint of what they'll get

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from the book monster hike a 100-mile

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inquiry into the Sasquatch mystery by

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April seal published by our friends at

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anomalous books more to come with gene

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and Chris you're in the bear chest we

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also have swag you know we have all

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so different items and entails t-shirts

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in multiple sizes and colors we even

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from deep in the heart of Texas

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Averell Seale author of monster hike

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Averell one other question here I don't

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know if you want to tell us or not I

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assume you have a day job can you tell

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us about what you do I'll tell you some

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I work at a the University of Texas and

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I'm sort of an all-purpose writer in the

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university communication office and I've

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I've been blessed to be at this

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university for a long time I was the

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editor of the alumni magazine for some

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seventeen years and have worked for the

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university itself and in several

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different positions but suffice it to

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say I'm kind of an all-purpose writer

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for you know the University's

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Communications Office obviously we asked

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this question what do they think of your

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indulgences in the world of the unknown

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well you know this is a this is a fairly

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recent step that I've taken to write

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this book and those who know about it

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are almost I have to say are very

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supportive and I appreciate that I did

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not know how that was gonna go but I

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certainly appreciate appreciate their

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support so far what's interesting here I

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think is that we don't have this stigma

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anymore for people who write about this

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stuff as

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as I guess they don't get too crazed

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about it now I'm looking over your back

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let's not jinx it

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well you never know I mean someone will

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call you right now the phone's ringing

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it's early yeah

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you also jump into the world of fiction

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which I've done can you tell me just

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quickly as a background what type of

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fiction is that well I'll say I'm mainly

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write nonfiction I have written a couple

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of fiction novellas really I wrote a

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screenplay and a kind of a companion

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novella

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that was sort of a fantasy genre I guess

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and then I wrote another novella that

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was I call it an afterlife comedy

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there's a show on TV right now they're

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very similar premise kind of a humorous

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take on the afterlife and the lessons

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that we might learn from this life but

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by and large I write nonfiction I don't

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know that I'll go back to to writing

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fiction and interestingly my first

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dalliance with the Bigfoot subject was

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fiction I wrote a novella when I first

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started thinking about this stuff and

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you know looking back on it wasn't very

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good this is about 20 years ago but the

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effect that it had on me was that the

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research that I did to write that novel

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pretty much made me a believer and and

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kind of led me down a path and you know

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I think now I would I would probably not

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right I'll never say never but probably

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not right

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a piece of fiction about this subject at

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this present time because I think that

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that muddies the water people you know

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see somebody is writing fiction well he

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he spends a great yarn you know he tells

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the great tale maybe he's telling tales

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about this too you know I I prefer to

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keep you know I'm very serious about

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this as an actual fact and I think if

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you kind of try to straddle that line or

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go back and forth between nonfiction and

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fiction people just get confused about

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the fact that the subject itself is

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nonfiction it's

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it is not it is not a fictitious

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creature but let's talk briefly about

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your viewpoints about Sasquatch so and

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this is the fundamental of it here do

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you think they are creatures beyond this

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world or are they just earthly creatures

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maybe we should know more about you know

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this is a question that there there are

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warring camps over this as within so

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many as with so many other things I

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think that and what I say in the book is

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that they are at least flesh-and-blood

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creatures I have a friend of mine i

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tribute that to a friend of mine

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Christopher Noel he's written a number

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of books on the subject too but that's

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not to say that that's all they are

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it's to say that they're flesh-and-blood

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creatures is not to say that they're

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basically just upright gorillas I think

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it's entirely possible that they have

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they have abilities that we don't

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understand yet and I think that we have

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to get away from this binary thinking

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that says that either we understand

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something 100% or it doesn't exist or

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for another set of people either we

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understand something completely or it's

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magic or it's extraterrestrial and I

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guess this kind of goes to your I don't

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want to show that you had the other

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night on et but you know I'm perfectly

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comfortable saying that these are I know

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they're flesh-and-blood creatures

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because they make prints they leave

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prints in the ground they leave hair

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behind

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they have no their scat and so forth so

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there they are physical creatures you

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know do they have other abilities to

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hide themselves that that we don't

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understand

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maybe I mean there are a lot of people

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out there who claim but they've seen

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them basically just vanish into thin air

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it sounds it sounds crazy but so do you

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I do most people you know so I very

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you'll find that I'm very slow

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to call something crazy anymore I'm very

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slow to say oh I've got the answers and

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everybody else you know is on the other

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side of one of these questions are they

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flesh and blood are they extra

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dimensional or so forth I'm very slow to

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to claim exclusive knowledge of the

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truth and that everybody else is crazy

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because frankly we just don't know and

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what we have to get comfortable with the

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fact that we don't know and I believe

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that attitude leaves the door open to

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greater knowledge and and to say that oh

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people who people who think that they

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can cloak that they can cloak themselves

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are just wacky well that just kind of

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slams the door to future knowledge about

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that maybe they are maybe they aren't

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but I'm it's not for me to stay who's in

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possession of the truth about all this

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stuff what about things like dimensional

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portals things like that where they come

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from earth 38 or whatever it is and they

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come in yes portal deliberately or

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accidentally and end up here I'm not I

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don't I wouldn't say that it I believe

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that I don't think it's necessary to go

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to that length to explain them but again

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I'm I'm perfectly comfortable saying

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maybe you know develop a theory and and

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try to test it and and go from there and

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Godspeed I haven't seen any evidence of

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that and I don't know again I don't know

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that that we need to go to that it's

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it's pretty incredible as it is I don't

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think that to me that seems like kind of

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gilding the lily to claim that they go

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in and out of dimensions but again it

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could be well they're taking it

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basically very careful very careful

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approach there I see you don't want to

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make assumptions about things and this

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is one of the arguments that we were

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having a last week's show are we

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assuming too much when we talk about

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possible extraterrestrial UFOs because

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at this point we know something strange

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is happening we do have

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evidence of extrasolar planets but it

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doesn't necessarily mean we can put the

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two together at this point and that

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starts a lot we have more to come with

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Averell seal author of Mont strike

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[Music]

602
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this is Leslie Kane and I'm with the

603
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Coalition for freedom of information and

604
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you are listening to the podcast we're

605
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continuing our exploration or our

606
00:27:17,950 --> 00:27:15,379
preliminaries about what led to a

607
00:27:21,580 --> 00:27:17,960
monster hike and that's a title of a

608
00:27:26,710 --> 00:27:21,590
book from anomalous books from April

609
00:27:29,469 --> 00:27:26,720
seal April why go on this voyage in the

610
00:27:31,839 --> 00:27:29,479
first place that's a great question you

611
00:27:34,029 --> 00:27:31,849
know I think there were I didn't set out

612
00:27:36,430 --> 00:27:34,039
to to do a solo

613
00:27:40,239 --> 00:27:36,440
Bigfoot expedition it kind of became

614
00:27:42,669 --> 00:27:40,249
that I was creeping up on my 50th

615
00:27:44,830 --> 00:27:42,679
birthday and like a lot of people I

616
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wanted to do something kind of momentous

617
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to mark the occasion and I was not in

618
00:27:56,430 --> 00:27:51,919
good enough shape nor have I ever had

619
00:28:00,549 --> 00:27:56,440
any desire to do a marathon or skydive

620
00:28:03,039 --> 00:28:00,559
which as I say in the book is over too

621
00:28:06,849 --> 00:28:03,049
soon no matter how well or poorly it

622
00:28:09,249 --> 00:28:06,859
goes but you know I've always enjoyed

623
00:28:11,169 --> 00:28:09,259
the outdoors I've done a lot of camping

624
00:28:13,060 --> 00:28:11,179
with my sons

625
00:28:15,549 --> 00:28:13,070
and a lot of hiking and so this felt

626
00:28:18,009 --> 00:28:15,559
like something that I could do and it

627
00:28:22,029 --> 00:28:18,019
wasn't I know the Appalachian Trail is I

628
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:22,039
think over 2,000 miles the Pacific Crest

629
00:28:26,349 --> 00:28:23,690
Trail you know these these two twin

630
00:28:28,210 --> 00:28:26,359
pillars of American outdoorsman ship

631
00:28:31,659 --> 00:28:28,220
were sort of beyond my reach I didn't

632
00:28:34,599 --> 00:28:31,669
have the vacation time to to do that

633
00:28:40,210 --> 00:28:34,609
sort of thing and I'm a father of three

634
00:28:42,940 --> 00:28:40,220
young boys and so this this lone star

635
00:28:45,729 --> 00:28:42,950
trail in East Texas was something that I

636
00:28:47,589 --> 00:28:45,739
could do all of and could do all of in

637
00:28:54,039 --> 00:28:47,599
about a week as it turns out it took me

638
00:28:56,489 --> 00:28:54,049
eight days and so you know as as the I

639
00:28:59,739 --> 00:28:56,499
prepared for it for probably two years

640
00:29:02,019 --> 00:28:59,749
it just kept going on other hikes kind

641
00:29:04,509 --> 00:29:02,029
of dialing in my gear figuring out what

642
00:29:06,879 --> 00:29:04,519
I needed and didn't need but all that

643
00:29:08,950 --> 00:29:06,889
while in the back of my mind was you

644
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:08,960
know I'm I'm going online I'm looking at

645
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:11,690
databases for sighting reports and I

646
00:29:16,090 --> 00:29:12,050
notice

647
00:29:18,670 --> 00:29:16,100
more and more and more chatter about see

648
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:18,680
I'm used to national forests and so

649
00:29:24,340 --> 00:29:21,050
these two things kind of developed in

650
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parallel and you know if I had gone out

651
00:29:28,390 --> 00:29:26,180
there and done the hike and hadn't seen

652
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:28,400
or heard anything interesting there

653
00:29:31,270 --> 00:29:30,050
wouldn't be a book you know it wouldn't

654
00:29:33,820 --> 00:29:31,280
have been a monster I could which would

655
00:29:37,210 --> 00:29:33,830
have been my you know my 50th birthday

656
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hike but it it turned into something

657
00:29:43,420 --> 00:29:41,360
more interesting than that another part

658
00:29:49,150 --> 00:29:43,430
of this is that you know I believe in

659
00:29:52,090 --> 00:29:49,160
direct experience you know I had read

660
00:29:55,090 --> 00:29:52,100
enough books and seen enough videos and

661
00:29:58,900 --> 00:29:55,100
seen enough photos purported photos to

662
00:30:00,250 --> 00:29:58,910
last a lifetime and so I had kind of

663
00:30:05,710 --> 00:30:00,260
reached the point where I wanted to

664
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either confirm that for myself or or you

665
00:30:08,890 --> 00:30:07,520
know move along but you know at the at

666
00:30:11,860 --> 00:30:08,900
the root of it it's just kind of a basic

667
00:30:15,910 --> 00:30:11,870
human curiosity do these things exist or

668
00:30:17,050 --> 00:30:15,920
not and and how could I you know what

669
00:30:19,510 --> 00:30:17,060
would it take what would be the odds

670
00:30:22,860 --> 00:30:19,520
that I could go out there and experience

671
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:22,870
something either here one or c1c tracks

672
00:30:30,700 --> 00:30:26,690
c-stick structures of that sort of thing

673
00:30:33,310 --> 00:30:30,710
and so as as time went along I as I said

674
00:30:36,460 --> 00:30:33,320
earlier this was my fifth trip and I'm

675
00:30:39,250 --> 00:30:36,470
on two of the previous four trips I had

676
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:39,260
experienced something that led me to

677
00:30:44,230 --> 00:30:41,090
believe that the reports that were

678
00:30:46,030 --> 00:30:44,240
coming from out there were true and I

679
00:30:50,740 --> 00:30:46,040
can tell you a little bit more about

680
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:50,750
those if you'd like sure please do well

681
00:30:55,540 --> 00:30:52,130
the very the very first time I went out

682
00:30:57,490 --> 00:30:55,550
there that was on the eastern section of

683
00:31:00,580 --> 00:30:57,500
the trail called the Big Creek section

684
00:31:05,650 --> 00:31:00,590
and I went with my oldest son who then

685
00:31:07,570 --> 00:31:05,660
was in fourth grade and and you know we

686
00:31:09,610 --> 00:31:07,580
Finding Bigfoot the TV show on Animal

687
00:31:11,500 --> 00:31:09,620
Planet had had just come on that season

688
00:31:13,180 --> 00:31:11,510
I put that year I believe anyway both

689
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:13,190
kind of been watching it and interested

690
00:31:19,300 --> 00:31:15,290
in it and so those guys out go out there

691
00:31:22,390 --> 00:31:19,310
and do wood knocks on trees and and yell

692
00:31:24,370 --> 00:31:22,400
into the blackness and you're here calls

693
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:24,380
vocalizations coming back to them and so

694
00:31:29,860 --> 00:31:25,970
forth

695
00:31:33,039 --> 00:31:29,870
and so we had not been on a backcountry

696
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:33,049
camping trip before and so we took off

697
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:35,090
went out there like I say it's about

698
00:31:40,180 --> 00:31:38,570
three hours from our home and we got a

699
00:31:44,230 --> 00:31:40,190
little bit of a late start and we pulled

700
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:44,240
in at sundown the Sun had gone down it

701
00:31:49,870 --> 00:31:47,210
was dusk and we were about to go in on

702
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:49,880
the Lone Star trail and this was a

703
00:31:54,399 --> 00:31:51,890
developed campground there two developed

704
00:31:57,279 --> 00:31:54,409
campgrounds out there on the trail this

705
00:32:00,310 --> 00:31:57,289
is the the eastern one called double

706
00:32:01,659 --> 00:32:00,320
Lake and there's a park host there this

707
00:32:03,700 --> 00:32:01,669
is a National Forest

708
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:03,710
and I you know I think there's probably

709
00:32:11,019 --> 00:32:06,890
a private vendor who runs these

710
00:32:15,210 --> 00:32:11,029
campgrounds and so if this was in a

711
00:32:19,659 --> 00:32:15,220
serious period of drought too and so we

712
00:32:22,269 --> 00:32:19,669
what we were planning to do is just get

713
00:32:24,580 --> 00:32:22,279
out and hike in to the trail a little

714
00:32:28,330 --> 00:32:24,590
bit and then go off the trail a few feet

715
00:32:30,460 --> 00:32:28,340
camp and then walk on in the morning so

716
00:32:32,710 --> 00:32:30,470
we we parked the truck he and I got out

717
00:32:35,950 --> 00:32:32,720
we were putting mosquito repellent on

718
00:32:37,870 --> 00:32:35,960
and the park host comes up behind us

719
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:37,880
quickly and says oh hey how are you all

720
00:32:42,039 --> 00:32:40,010
doing can't go out on the trail they're

721
00:32:44,230 --> 00:32:42,049
no they're not allowing camping on the

722
00:32:46,060 --> 00:32:44,240
trail because it's we're in drought

723
00:32:49,210 --> 00:32:46,070
phase and they're afraid trees are gonna

724
00:32:51,669 --> 00:32:49,220
fall over honey so I was like well huh

725
00:32:53,889 --> 00:32:51,679
that's kind of weird but okay we'll just

726
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:53,899
stay in the campground and who go out

727
00:32:58,480 --> 00:32:55,490
and the first thing in the morning and

728
00:33:01,470 --> 00:32:58,490
right then in gene we had not been out

729
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:01,480
of my truck for more than five minutes I

730
00:33:14,740 --> 00:33:09,130
hear this from across this dry lakebed

731
00:33:16,210 --> 00:33:14,750
why it's Lon Chaney jr. and I turn to

732
00:33:17,620 --> 00:33:16,220
the Parr Coast and I don't want to I

733
00:33:19,630 --> 00:33:17,630
don't want to tip my hand you know I

734
00:33:22,659 --> 00:33:19,640
said what was that

735
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:22,669
and he's messing with this phone or

736
00:33:27,250 --> 00:33:25,610
sometimes it is probably a coyote and I

737
00:33:29,350 --> 00:33:27,260
looked down at my son and he looked back

738
00:33:30,820 --> 00:33:29,360
at me I just raised an eyebrow but we

739
00:33:33,519 --> 00:33:30,830
both just kind of laughed because this

740
00:33:37,990 --> 00:33:33,529
thing was this vocalizations was just

741
00:33:39,340 --> 00:33:38,000
spot-on and I've heard I've heard a lot

742
00:33:41,590 --> 00:33:39,350
of coyotes

743
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:41,600
in my life and this did not sound like

744
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:43,490
anything that I had ever did you know

745
00:33:49,450 --> 00:33:46,370
coyotes do make a lot of otherworldly

746
00:33:52,990 --> 00:33:49,460
noises and you know every night they do

747
00:33:55,510 --> 00:33:53,000
but one the Sun was not quite down yet

748
00:33:59,980 --> 00:33:55,520
and to like you know this sounded like

749
00:34:01,540 --> 00:33:59,990
something's very loud very powerful at a

750
00:34:04,060 --> 00:34:01,550
pretty good distance you know you can

751
00:34:08,470 --> 00:34:04,070
tell in the forest you can if something

752
00:34:09,940 --> 00:34:08,480
is an owl that's 50 feet away you can

753
00:34:12,940 --> 00:34:09,950
tell the difference between that and

754
00:34:16,270 --> 00:34:12,950
something that's screaming its lungs out

755
00:34:18,390 --> 00:34:16,280
half a mile away in the forest echo

756
00:34:22,180 --> 00:34:18,400
sounds different in both of those events

757
00:34:25,330 --> 00:34:22,190
so I was I was fairly convinced at that

758
00:34:27,940 --> 00:34:25,340
time but that's what we had heard so

759
00:34:31,110 --> 00:34:27,950
April at what point did you decide that

760
00:34:34,090 --> 00:34:31,120
you know maybe that's not what I heard

761
00:34:35,950 --> 00:34:34,100
well you know I to this day I think that

762
00:34:39,940 --> 00:34:35,960
that that is whatever but I think over

763
00:34:42,430 --> 00:34:39,950
time time tends to smooth the edges off

764
00:34:45,660 --> 00:34:42,440
of memories kind of like water smooths

765
00:34:48,850 --> 00:34:45,670
the edges off of rock and over the next

766
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:48,860
year two years I started to entertain

767
00:34:53,050 --> 00:34:50,930
the idea well maybe it wasn't maybe it

768
00:34:57,190 --> 00:34:53,060
was a coyote after all or maybe it was a

769
00:35:00,370 --> 00:34:57,200
barred owl or something else I think

770
00:35:02,710 --> 00:35:00,380
just because I I didn't want to be that

771
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:02,720
wild-eyed believer you know I wanted

772
00:35:09,490 --> 00:35:05,570
something more solid and I got something

773
00:35:12,340 --> 00:35:09,500
more solid the the third time that I

774
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:12,350
went out and I can tell you about that

775
00:35:18,310 --> 00:35:16,610
too the third time is the charm I'll

776
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:18,320
tell you what we have about a minute ten

777
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:20,210
for this segment and by the way of

778
00:35:24,670 --> 00:35:21,530
listeners are wondering what's happening

779
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:24,680
with Chris he is here but we can't get

780
00:35:32,380 --> 00:35:29,330
his mic to be audible he's taken an oath

781
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:32,390
of silence or something I always say

782
00:35:36,580 --> 00:35:34,130
that you know in some ways these weird

783
00:35:39,460 --> 00:35:36,590
things happen let's be frank about it

784
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:39,470
Skype released a major update where the

785
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:42,410
interface was completely overhauled and

786
00:35:46,900 --> 00:35:44,810
I hate it and Chris hates it

787
00:35:49,660 --> 00:35:46,910
I can't ask April because he doesn't use

788
00:35:51,820 --> 00:35:49,670
Skype often enough to hate it yet but

789
00:35:53,019 --> 00:35:51,830
believe me that'll come and it's got

790
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:53,029
some of that

791
00:35:59,079 --> 00:35:56,650
work that's descended from windows and

792
00:36:01,149 --> 00:35:59,089
windows 8 Metro will you have the

793
00:36:03,939 --> 00:36:01,159
stickpin lettering and all this

794
00:36:05,669 --> 00:36:03,949
silliness and kind of simplified artwork

795
00:36:08,019 --> 00:36:05,679
that ends up being more complicated

796
00:36:10,779 --> 00:36:08,029
because they haven't got a sense of

797
00:36:13,299 --> 00:36:10,789
simplicity and elegance that sort of

798
00:36:14,669 --> 00:36:13,309
thing but I want to get into that but

799
00:36:19,569 --> 00:36:14,679
we're going to talk about more things

800
00:36:22,899 --> 00:36:19,579
that April seal encountered as he begins

801
00:36:28,989 --> 00:36:22,909
this great journey to find out more

802
00:36:32,589 --> 00:36:28,999
about sasquatch okay the monster hike

803
00:36:34,899 --> 00:36:32,599
and what kind of monsters huh we'll find

804
00:36:38,919 --> 00:36:34,909
out so Chris O'Brien is somewhere out

805
00:36:49,479 --> 00:36:38,929
there trying to break in we'll have more

806
00:36:52,420 --> 00:36:49,489
to come you're in the pair of cast you

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are listening to GCN

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take a monster hike and I think the

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monster hike well a couple of things

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they were listening to when gene was

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and you seem to come down on the you

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know the cryptozoological side the

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physical creature undiscovered on as yet

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on you know unproven but a

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flesh-and-blood creature that has a

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breeding population that has to you know

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gather food and eat and it has a

932
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lifecycle and raises reals young and

933
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that sort of thing and you know I think

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a lot of the preponderance of the of the

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evidence would would support that but

936
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again you know I think you brought up

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the comparison to UFOs there are certain

938
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cases that then kind of leave you

939
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scratching your head my brother actually

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was involved in a case just below

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Stevens pass in Washington State back in

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the mid 70s and the creature walked

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across a logging road within a very

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close proximity of them they didn't see

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it because they were on a

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and the creature walked across before

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they actually made their way around the

948
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curve it was based on his descriptions

949
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it was less than a hundred feet away but

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they never saw it they smelled it the

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horses smelled it when they got around

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when they got the horses Evelyn got

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around the curve there was a footprint

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on one side of the road there was one in

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the middle of the road the dirt it was

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like a dirt rot logging road one on the

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other side grass was still coming up

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that had been crushed in the printt

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grass was still raising up out of the

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print and then there was a swoop mark on

961
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the the bank the cut through the through

962
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the hillside and a broken branch at the

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top but there were no tracks approaching

964
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and no tracks leaving and there's they

965
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it was similar terrain and there should

966
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have been evidence of this creature

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approaching the road and leaving the

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road and all they had were the five

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trace print evidence to go on and there

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was no other evidence and I've had other

971
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cases where tracks have have stopped in

972
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mid mid stride you know I've read about

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cases where you've just had a set of

974
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tracks that are isolated by the

975
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environment how do we explain that

976
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without the the creature being able to

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teleport or you know obviously there's

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you know the whole possibility of people

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aren't just able to see the evidence but

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in a couple of cases I recall

981
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professional trackers have been left

982
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scratching their heads because they

983
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could not find any evidence of where the

984
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creature went that its tracks ended

985
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inexplicably so that's a great question

986
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I don't pretend to know the answer but I

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had one thing that might be playing in

988
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is that a lot of people believe and and

989
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have seen them coming down out of trees

990
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so I think they're probably more

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arboreal than people believe certainly

992
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the young that's a good idea

993
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that makes sense we were in the trees

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ourselves at one point yeah so if one

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we're just you know playing this out if

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one were to drop down out of a tree walk

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50 feet and then climb back into another

998
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tree well you've got a segment of a

999
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trackway there

1000
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I know the naturalistic explanation but

1001
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again I you know I am NOT here to tell

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anybody that they haven't seen what

1003
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they've seen wait I never never thought

1004
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to ask well you know how what was the

1005
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proximity of of the trees of course in

1006
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that part of the Cascades you mentioned

1007
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that you've been on the Pacific Crest

1008
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Trail no just to be clear I have not

1009
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been that way I was making point I was

1010
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making is that I had I couldn't do that

1011
00:45:42,559 --> 00:45:40,249
nor could I do the Appalachian Trail

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just for logistical reasons and that's

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right that's why I picked a much shorter

1014
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much more modest go yeah I've you know I

1015
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grew up out there in western Washington

1016
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and have hiked big portions of that

1017
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particular trail including the highest

1018
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portion on the entire length of it Dutch

1019
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Miller gap in that area and I'll tell

1020
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you it is not for the faint of heart

1021
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that is some rugged country out there

1022
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and you'd almost have to be seven eight

1023
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foot tall to really negotiate a lot of

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the term rain out there comfortably as

1025
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I'll tell you I was 15 years old in

1026
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incredible shape and it it really kicked

1027
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my tail Longstride can come in handy

1028
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I'm sure yeah it can it reminds me of a

1029
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case I investigated in Colorado where

1030
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well actually in northern New Mexico

1031
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where he was like a brand inspector

1032
00:46:43,190 --> 00:46:38,999
witnessed a a figure a white appearing

1033
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Bigfoot go up a fire cut then he tried

1034
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to do duplicate what the creature had

1035
00:46:51,650 --> 00:46:48,450
done in about 40 minutes and hit took

1036
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him literally half an afternoon to go up

1037
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the stretch of fallen timbers and you

1038
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know they just cut down trees basically

1039
00:47:01,700 --> 00:46:58,829
and left them where they lay and very

1040
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very steep rugged terrain and he gave up

1041
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really even trying to do it because it

1042
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was so difficult and he he remark to me

1043
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that it would have to have been have

1044
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superhuman athletic ability to be able

1045
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to scramble up that that particular

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stretch in the amount of time that it

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took so and this is you know obviously

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anybody who's had any sort of interest

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1051
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descriptions time and time again of the

1052
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incredible athleticism that these these

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creatures have you know I been away I

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have not had a chance I'll be honest too

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to go over the book I'm really

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1069
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wonderful but but rest assured a lot of

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people listen to what he has to say and

1072
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the book all that much more let's put it

1074
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that way I've had a lifelong fascination

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with Bigfoot I finally got invited to

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there's a couple months back Dave a

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the high mountain mystery conference I

1080
00:48:47,630 --> 00:48:45,570
think you called it and it would be

1081
00:48:50,450 --> 00:48:47,640
something that you would consider doing

1082
00:48:54,050 --> 00:48:50,460
is getting together with David and Ron

1083
00:48:55,730 --> 00:48:54,060
more Moorehouse I think in that whole

1084
00:48:59,240 --> 00:48:55,740
another name

1085
00:49:01,160 --> 00:48:59,250
very good conference well yeah I haven't

1086
00:49:03,290 --> 00:49:01,170
been really a part of that this

1087
00:49:05,780 --> 00:49:03,300
community yet I'm kind of just

1088
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:05,790
parachuting into this subject in a way

1089
00:49:11,599 --> 00:49:07,770
I've been interested in it for a long

1090
00:49:13,339 --> 00:49:11,609
time that have not been in contact but I

1091
00:49:15,700 --> 00:49:13,349
know all these names that you're

1092
00:49:19,700 --> 00:49:15,710
mentioning and what it would be fun

1093
00:49:21,829 --> 00:49:19,710
about your trip now we kind of run

1094
00:49:25,339 --> 00:49:21,839
ceremoniously interrupted I might might

1095
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:25,349
I'd say and you had mentioned that you

1096
00:49:31,970 --> 00:49:28,490
had arrived at the campsite in the camp

1097
00:49:34,130 --> 00:49:31,980
host had heard the sound that you and

1098
00:49:35,660 --> 00:49:34,140
your son had heard and said that it was

1099
00:49:38,570 --> 00:49:35,670
probably just a coyote I

1100
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:38,580
that's about where we right finally

1101
00:49:47,150 --> 00:49:45,570
attempted to finally get me here well

1102
00:49:48,980 --> 00:49:47,160
why don't you continue from there okay

1103
00:49:50,300 --> 00:49:48,990
well that you know so we went and did

1104
00:49:53,180 --> 00:49:50,310
our hike and nothing really else

1105
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:53,190
happened that I can I do remember that

1106
00:49:59,840 --> 00:49:56,610
we stayed in camp that morning I mean

1107
00:50:01,790 --> 00:49:59,850
sorry that night just on a regular old

1108
00:50:03,650 --> 00:50:01,800
tent pad and then but we wanted to get a

1109
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:03,660
hike in you know we didn't want to come

1110
00:50:07,340 --> 00:50:05,850
all that way just you know camp in the

1111
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:07,350
tent and go back home we wanted to get a

1112
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:09,570
hike in right I'll speak for myself I

1113
00:50:15,830 --> 00:50:11,970
wanted us to go hiking so we got up in

1114
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:15,840
the before dawn the next day just in the

1115
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:18,930
black of them ring and and set out into

1116
00:50:25,580 --> 00:50:22,410
the into the trail and I just remember

1117
00:50:27,410 --> 00:50:25,590
that I heard this big movement in front

1118
00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:27,420
of me something it sounded like

1119
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:30,480
something moved was on the trail and

1120
00:50:34,670 --> 00:50:32,490
then moved off the trail and in this

1121
00:50:37,310 --> 00:50:34,680
part of the country just so you can

1122
00:50:41,870 --> 00:50:37,320
picture the forest it's a it's a pine

1123
00:50:45,380 --> 00:50:41,880
forest but the understory of this force

1124
00:50:48,170 --> 00:50:45,390
is completely dominated by yo pond yo

1125
00:50:50,870 --> 00:50:48,180
pond Holly which is a it can be a bush

1126
00:50:51,730 --> 00:50:50,880
or a shrub or a tree depending on what

1127
00:50:54,820 --> 00:50:51,740
size it is

1128
00:50:58,430 --> 00:50:54,830
but the yo pond you'll cover the south

1129
00:51:00,980 --> 00:50:58,440
and they go into about Central Texas and

1130
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:00,990
that's their that's their range but a

1131
00:51:06,650 --> 00:51:04,970
lot of the witnesses and a lot of the

1132
00:51:09,170 --> 00:51:06,660
investigations that have gone on in

1133
00:51:10,730 --> 00:51:09,180
these forests these Texas yo pond

1134
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:10,740
figures pretty heavily because it

1135
00:51:15,260 --> 00:51:13,170
creates this thicket at the ground level

1136
00:51:17,060 --> 00:51:15,270
that really any it could conceal

1137
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:17,070
anything I mean I say at one point look

1138
00:51:21,170 --> 00:51:19,770
like a brontosaurus could be hiding you

1139
00:51:22,940 --> 00:51:21,180
know behind his screen of this yo pond

1140
00:51:25,310 --> 00:51:22,950
and you wouldn't know it you know what

1141
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:25,320
we'll find out more about what's hitting

1142
00:51:30,620 --> 00:51:27,450
there as we continue with gene and Chris

1143
00:51:39,599 --> 00:51:30,630
going on a monster hike you're in very

1144
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1153
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1154
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1194
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1195
00:54:04,250 --> 00:53:59,950
welcome back into the para cast the gold

1196
00:54:12,779 --> 00:54:04,260
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1197
00:54:15,299 --> 00:54:12,789
here's Jane Steinberg so that's Chris

1198
00:54:18,240 --> 00:54:15,309
doing his Bigfoot imitation and he's

1199
00:54:20,609 --> 00:54:18,250
actually kind of upset because Skype

1200
00:54:24,529 --> 00:54:20,619
engage in a serious conspiracy with him

1201
00:54:27,750 --> 00:54:24,539
where Skype would not let him speak

1202
00:54:30,690 --> 00:54:27,760
during the session until he went back

1203
00:54:33,799 --> 00:54:30,700
and installed an old version but we're

1204
00:54:36,210 --> 00:54:33,809
going on monster hike with April seal

1205
00:54:38,730 --> 00:54:36,220
April yes sir

1206
00:54:40,559 --> 00:54:38,740
let us continue our great journey good

1207
00:54:43,019 --> 00:54:40,569
well so there was something as I said

1208
00:54:45,210 --> 00:54:43,029
that that moved in front of us and it

1209
00:54:46,650 --> 00:54:45,220
you know this could have been I could

1210
00:54:48,870 --> 00:54:46,660
have been a deer and in fact at the time

1211
00:54:50,730 --> 00:54:48,880
I thought it probably was a deer because

1212
00:54:52,740 --> 00:54:50,740
there are a lot of deer out there but I

1213
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:52,750
just remember that it it just moved it

1214
00:54:56,460 --> 00:54:54,010
sound like something just stepped off

1215
00:54:58,309 --> 00:54:56,470
the trail and then stopped do my

1216
00:55:00,930 --> 00:54:58,319
experience a deer would not just stop

1217
00:55:03,299 --> 00:55:00,940
ten feet off the trail that would keep

1218
00:55:05,309 --> 00:55:03,309
on going and so I've just always

1219
00:55:07,890 --> 00:55:05,319
remembered that and wondered about that

1220
00:55:10,470 --> 00:55:07,900
you know because this is an area sis's

1221
00:55:12,509 --> 00:55:10,480
would be San Jacinto County and they're

1222
00:55:14,309 --> 00:55:12,519
they're just a like there are three

1223
00:55:16,529 --> 00:55:14,319
counties that make up Sam Houston

1224
00:55:18,900 --> 00:55:16,539
National Forest and all three of them I

1225
00:55:22,559 --> 00:55:18,910
just have numerous sightings on record

1226
00:55:24,809 --> 00:55:22,569
so as I say the years went by and that

1227
00:55:26,730 --> 00:55:24,819
kind of was I kind of climbed back on

1228
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:26,740
the fence about that whole vocalization

1229
00:55:30,180 --> 00:55:29,170
like well maybe it was a maybe it was a

1230
00:55:32,039 --> 00:55:30,190
barn owl

1231
00:55:35,099 --> 00:55:32,049
maybe it was a maybe it really was a

1232
00:55:37,170 --> 00:55:35,109
coyote who knows and then I went out

1233
00:55:38,970 --> 00:55:37,180
there we're not two more times nothing

1234
00:55:41,370 --> 00:55:38,980
happened on either of those trips and

1235
00:55:42,289 --> 00:55:41,380
then the fourth time that I went out it

1236
00:55:44,999 --> 00:55:42,299
was with a buddy

1237
00:55:47,660 --> 00:55:45,009
we went on on the other end of the trail

1238
00:55:52,140 --> 00:55:47,670
on the far western section of the trail

1239
00:55:54,690 --> 00:55:52,150
and it was January fourth I believe it

1240
00:55:56,579 --> 00:55:54,700
was basically still the holiday break

1241
00:55:58,980 --> 00:55:56,589
and hadn't gone back to work yet I would

1242
00:56:00,660 --> 00:55:58,990
go back to work the following day but

1243
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:00,670
this friend of mine and I went out there

1244
00:56:06,570 --> 00:56:02,410
we owned about two and a half miles in

1245
00:56:09,060 --> 00:56:06,580
and then we hammock camped

1246
00:56:12,630 --> 00:56:09,070
at a little pond there on the Lone Star

1247
00:56:16,140 --> 00:56:12,640
trail and you know that time of year it

1248
00:56:18,720 --> 00:56:16,150
gets dark early and it stays dark in the

1249
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:18,730
morning and it was about thirty five

1250
00:56:23,670 --> 00:56:20,890
degrees probably not quite freezing but

1251
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:23,680
but practically freezing at 6:00 a.m.

1252
00:56:29,550 --> 00:56:27,970
that morning I was awake and but I

1253
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:29,560
hadn't gotten out of my hammock yet and

1254
00:56:33,330 --> 00:56:31,330
what we were both in hammocks and both

1255
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:33,340
of our hammocks had tarps over them

1256
00:56:37,590 --> 00:56:35,770
staked down in such a way that we

1257
00:56:40,260 --> 00:56:37,600
couldn't see out because it was cold and

1258
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:40,270
we wanted to retain our body heat so

1259
00:56:45,300 --> 00:56:42,130
both of us we were about 15 feet apart

1260
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:45,310
at 6:00 a.m. and it's key to the story

1261
00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:47,410
is it's perfectly still out there it's

1262
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:48,730
one of those mornings in the forest

1263
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:51,850
that's just cold nothing is moving I

1264
00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:53,650
mean the insects aren't moving birds

1265
00:57:01,770 --> 00:56:57,090
aren't moving no breeze of any kind and

1266
00:57:07,170 --> 00:57:01,780
about I would say 50 to 75 feet on the

1267
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:07,180
other side of my friend I hear this this

1268
00:57:13,620 --> 00:57:11,050
clack and then less than a half a second

1269
00:57:17,790 --> 00:57:13,630
later from about a quarter mile beyond

1270
00:57:21,110 --> 00:57:17,800
that sound I hear this so I hear this

1271
00:57:24,500 --> 00:57:21,120
very distinctive close sharp clack

1272
00:57:26,730 --> 00:57:24,510
followed by a double knock at that point

1273
00:57:28,110 --> 00:57:26,740
there's really wasn't any question in my

1274
00:57:30,900 --> 00:57:28,120
mind because I had been following this

1275
00:57:33,060 --> 00:57:30,910
phenomenon and I knew from reading from

1276
00:57:35,430 --> 00:57:33,070
you know documentaries that I had seen

1277
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:35,440
videos and so forth that this was a this

1278
00:57:39,590 --> 00:57:37,690
was a phenomenon that was closely

1279
00:57:41,550 --> 00:57:39,600
associated with with Bigfoot's that

1280
00:57:43,910 --> 00:57:41,560
researchers believe this is how they

1281
00:57:45,740 --> 00:57:43,920
communicate a they communicate by

1282
00:57:48,810 --> 00:57:45,750
vocalization but they also communicate

1283
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:48,820
through wood knocks and some people

1284
00:57:52,340 --> 00:57:50,650
believe it's it's actually you know wood

1285
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:52,350
on wood like they're grabbing a branch

1286
00:57:56,430 --> 00:57:54,850
striking the trunk of a tree others

1287
00:57:59,070 --> 00:57:56,440
think it's just them clapping their

1288
00:58:00,390 --> 00:57:59,080
hands in such a way that makes kind of a

1289
00:58:04,110 --> 00:58:00,400
hollow sound like it's they have these

1290
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:04,120
huge meaty hands but in either event I

1291
00:58:10,020 --> 00:58:06,970
was very convinced after I heard that

1292
00:58:14,250 --> 00:58:10,030
and to me it was a call in response it

1293
00:58:17,010 --> 00:58:14,260
was humans over here and the other one

1294
00:58:18,780 --> 00:58:17,020
was Roger that that's the way I took it

1295
00:58:20,430 --> 00:58:18,790
and that's to date to this day I think

1296
00:58:22,620 --> 00:58:20,440
that's what was happening I think

1297
00:58:25,020 --> 00:58:22,630
as I say we were camping by this pond

1298
00:58:26,940 --> 00:58:25,030
and I believe that they were coming in

1299
00:58:29,750 --> 00:58:26,950
for water they were coming in to journey

1300
00:58:32,190 --> 00:58:29,760
before sunup one of them spotted us and

1301
00:58:36,420 --> 00:58:32,200
signaled to the other one to back off so

1302
00:58:38,730 --> 00:58:36,430
at that point of four trips out there on

1303
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:38,740
two of those four occasions I had had

1304
00:58:45,450 --> 00:58:41,170
these experiences that I was relatively

1305
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:45,460
sure the were Sasquatch related so my

1306
00:58:51,660 --> 00:58:49,090
appetite was really wetted at that point

1307
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:51,670
to try to go for more than one night and

1308
00:58:56,700 --> 00:58:55,210
see because I was batting 500 a guy who

1309
00:58:58,830 --> 00:58:56,710
really didn't know what he was doing

1310
00:59:01,020 --> 00:58:58,840
he's just had enough knowledge to go out

1311
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:01,030
there and what I was hearing at that

1312
00:59:07,410 --> 00:59:04,090
point I'm not sure what else I can say

1313
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:07,420
other than wood knocks have become

1314
00:59:12,650 --> 00:59:10,570
ubiquitous with the phenomenon and I

1315
00:59:15,930 --> 00:59:12,660
don't know how many shows now feature

1316
00:59:19,500 --> 00:59:15,940
big burly guys running around in the

1317
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:19,510
forest banging on trees in my mind it

1318
00:59:29,010 --> 00:59:26,410
scares him away I was trying to use the

1319
00:59:31,500 --> 00:59:29,020
stealth method not the bull in the china

1320
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:31,510
shop banging the banging on trees with

1321
00:59:38,100 --> 00:59:34,330
big big branches that sort of thing I

1322
00:59:42,510 --> 00:59:38,110
really haven't ever seen one of the

1323
00:59:45,450 --> 00:59:42,520
Bigfoot shows I I just I'm so I don't

1324
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:45,460
know I'm so down on the way Hollywood

1325
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:49,330
has a habit of taking the reality show

1326
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:52,330
format and ruining subjects paranormal

1327
00:59:59,130 --> 00:59:55,090
subjects with that particular approach

1328
01:00:01,620 --> 00:59:59,140
and I literally have never seen Finding

1329
01:00:03,810 --> 01:00:01,630
Bigfoot or any of those reality show

1330
01:00:07,290 --> 01:00:03,820
Bigfoot shows I've seen monster quest

1331
01:00:09,540 --> 01:00:07,300
which I like I like their approach some

1332
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:09,550
of their segments are very compelling

1333
01:00:15,900 --> 01:00:12,850
but from the short little bits that I've

1334
01:00:17,970 --> 01:00:15,910
seen of trailers and maybe somebody will

1335
01:00:20,130 --> 01:00:17,980
have a YouTube clip that they post and

1336
01:00:22,410 --> 01:00:20,140
I'll watch the first 5 seconds it

1337
01:00:24,870 --> 01:00:22,420
literally turns me off within 5 seconds

1338
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:24,880
and a lot of that is due to this whole

1339
01:00:31,620 --> 01:00:27,970
idea of banging on trees yeah another

1340
01:00:33,690 --> 01:00:31,630
thing that another vocalization and this

1341
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:33,700
comes from personal experience

1342
01:00:41,550 --> 01:00:36,730
is a whistling sound mm-hmm

1343
01:00:45,060 --> 01:00:41,560
and I I had my I was back in Washington

1344
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State hiking up the carbon River on the

1345
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north side of Mount Rainier and that

1346
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part of the mouch Lake entrance was

1347
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closed we hiked in it was I think the

1348
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end of March beginning of April they're

1349
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been very very few people in there since

1350
01:01:03,030 --> 01:01:01,570
the you know the very very early spring

1351
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and during the wintertime you don't get

1352
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much hikers hiking activity up there and

1353
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:09,310
so we were hiking up through the forest

1354
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:12,370
alongside the river and we hadn't seen

1355
01:01:18,750 --> 01:01:15,130
or heard any animals which I found was

1356
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:18,760
quite unusual you know having lived the

1357
01:01:22,980 --> 01:01:21,130
prior three my three years of high

1358
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school within about 40 miles of this

1359
01:01:27,540 --> 01:01:24,850
location it was very very familiar with

1360
01:01:29,820 --> 01:01:27,550
all the the wildlife and the bird sounds

1361
01:01:32,100 --> 01:01:29,830
yeah at all times of the year and I

1362
01:01:33,690 --> 01:01:32,110
remember commenting to my girlfriend

1363
01:01:35,460 --> 01:01:33,700
that it was strange that we had not seen

1364
01:01:37,650 --> 01:01:35,470
or heard any animals that it was really

1365
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:37,660
quiet while we could hear was the sound

1366
01:01:43,860 --> 01:01:41,410
of the river and we got into an area of

1367
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:43,870
some real big western red cedars and big

1368
01:01:51,060 --> 01:01:47,530
Doug firs I mean really big 10-foot you

1369
01:01:55,740 --> 01:01:51,070
know diameter eight-foot and and kind of

1370
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low light on the forest floor with lots

1371
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of moss and temperate rainforest type

1372
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you know just drippy everything was kind

1373
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of Dripping and we get to a certain

1374
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point in the trail where we have a

1375
01:02:11,610 --> 01:02:09,210
pretty open view at least a hundred feet

1376
01:02:16,530 --> 01:02:11,620
in front of us in behind us and I heard

1377
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a very unusual very loud whistle and it

1378
01:02:23,820 --> 01:02:21,670
had kind of a questioning tone I stopped

1379
01:02:26,790 --> 01:02:23,830
and my girl did you hear that what was

1380
01:02:28,530 --> 01:02:26,800
that I said must have been a bird no one

1381
01:02:30,030 --> 01:02:28,540
darn well it wasn't a bird because I

1382
01:02:32,610 --> 01:02:30,040
never before or since

1383
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:32,620
heard a bird that sounded like that and

1384
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:34,450
as soon as the words pretty much had

1385
01:02:37,820 --> 01:02:35,770
gotten out of my mouth we heard a

1386
01:02:41,330 --> 01:02:37,830
higher-pitched version of it behind us

1387
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:41,340
it was kind of answering I said you know

1388
01:02:45,990 --> 01:02:44,650
let's go out towards the river and take

1389
01:02:48,810 --> 01:02:46,000
a break and

1390
01:02:51,870 --> 01:02:48,820
as we started out we were kind of going

1391
01:02:54,990 --> 01:02:51,880
back away from the first sound and more

1392
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:55,000
towards the second sound we heard what

1393
01:02:59,790 --> 01:02:56,890
the the first sound again and then the

1394
01:03:02,940 --> 01:02:59,800
second sound was was with the first

1395
01:03:06,210 --> 01:03:02,950
sound somehow whatever it was had gotten

1396
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from behind us to in front of us and

1397
01:03:10,830 --> 01:03:08,619
yeah we didn't see anything and there I

1398
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:10,840
would have to go back and check my notes

1399
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:13,770
on this in terms of the the elapsed time

1400
01:03:22,980 --> 01:03:19,050
but I was very convinced that we had had

1401
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kind of a a quasi if you will or pseudo

1402
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Bigfoot encounter because as I said

1403
01:03:31,589 --> 01:03:29,560
twice now I'm really familiar with all

1404
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the animal sounds and him especially

1405
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bird sounds in the area we got more to

1406
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come

1407
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pseudo Bigfoot encounter with gene and

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para cast calm quasi quasi what do you

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mean by quasi well I don't know I didn't

1518
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:17,400
see anything I didn't smell anything

1519
01:08:22,519 --> 01:08:19,770
normally I would need those one of those

1520
01:08:23,870 --> 01:08:22,529
two things to really be completely

1521
01:08:25,939 --> 01:08:23,880
convinced that that's the experience

1522
01:08:28,700 --> 01:08:25,949
I've had in terms of one of our big

1523
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hairy friends but I didn't have the

1524
01:08:33,499 --> 01:08:31,739
olfactory evidence and I didn't have any

1525
01:08:35,300 --> 01:08:33,509
sort of visual evidence but the very

1526
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fact or whatever it was was able to go

1527
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from behind us to in front of us without

1528
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us seen they do that that puts it into a

1529
01:08:48,499 --> 01:08:43,259
realm of high strangeness and in my

1530
01:08:51,140 --> 01:08:48,509
estimation which again kind of kicks me

1531
01:08:53,300 --> 01:08:51,150
back towards that possibility of some

1532
01:08:55,459 --> 01:08:53,310
sort of ability to teleport this thing

1533
01:08:56,870 --> 01:08:55,469
was not going through the trees the

1534
01:08:59,689 --> 01:08:56,880
trees were too big there were no

1535
01:09:01,370 --> 01:08:59,699
branches down you know maybe it could

1536
01:09:04,579 --> 01:09:01,380
have skinny tup one of these things I

1537
01:09:06,919 --> 01:09:04,589
doubt it but we would have heard or seen

1538
01:09:08,930 --> 01:09:06,929
something I would think this is much a

1539
01:09:12,140 --> 01:09:08,940
different country than than what you're

1540
01:09:14,269 --> 01:09:12,150
describing in Texas this is primordial

1541
01:09:16,970 --> 01:09:14,279
temperate rainforest this is a whole

1542
01:09:20,930 --> 01:09:16,980
different ball of wax we're talking you

1543
01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:20,940
know 150 200 foot trees you know huge

1544
01:09:26,950 --> 01:09:24,330
huge trees moss hanging everywhere very

1545
01:09:31,010 --> 01:09:26,960
very wet hence the rain forest

1546
01:09:33,289 --> 01:09:31,020
designation yeah by going up this trail

1547
01:09:35,329 --> 01:09:33,299
we literally were breaking through snow

1548
01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:35,339
banks that we could see nobody had had

1549
01:09:38,689 --> 01:09:37,650
traveled on the trail at least for a

1550
01:09:41,809 --> 01:09:38,699
couple three weeks since the last

1551
01:09:43,789 --> 01:09:41,819
snowfall so we didn't encounter any any

1552
01:09:46,789 --> 01:09:43,799
person not a single person in the entire

1553
01:09:49,150 --> 01:09:46,799
afternoon we were virus pretty much

1554
01:09:51,700 --> 01:09:49,160
pretty isolated by ourselves

1555
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:51,710
there and but what perfect conditions to

1556
01:09:57,010 --> 01:09:54,650
encounter something like an undiscovered

1557
01:09:59,110 --> 01:09:57,020
hairy hominid I mean what you're

1558
01:10:01,780 --> 01:09:59,120
describing is what most people think of

1559
01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:01,790
when they think of Bigfoot country and

1560
01:10:07,060 --> 01:10:05,210
what's been a revelation to me and a lot

1561
01:10:09,700 --> 01:10:07,070
of other people is that yes there

1562
01:10:11,980 --> 01:10:09,710
they're out there but they're also in

1563
01:10:14,410 --> 01:10:11,990
places like where I was and they might

1564
01:10:16,810 --> 01:10:14,420
be miles from anywhere or they might be

1565
01:10:18,910 --> 01:10:16,820
the best evidence that I found on this

1566
01:10:21,250 --> 01:10:18,920
trip was this footprint that's on the

1567
01:10:24,430 --> 01:10:21,260
cover of the book yeah that was that was

1568
01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:24,440
Trent to by the way that was 50 yards

1569
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:28,130
from a parking lot in a highway there

1570
01:10:32,020 --> 01:10:30,050
was some pretty remote areas that I went

1571
01:10:34,480 --> 01:10:32,030
through you know the farthest I could

1572
01:10:36,940 --> 01:10:34,490
get from her road from any road was four

1573
01:10:38,380 --> 01:10:36,950
miles and you would think well Texas you

1574
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:38,390
know everything's bigger in Texas but

1575
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really it is the Forest Service roads

1576
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:42,230
and County roads yeah

1577
01:10:46,900 --> 01:10:45,050
heading through and the forest itself is

1578
01:10:49,230 --> 01:10:46,910
kind of a patchwork when he it depends

1579
01:10:51,100 --> 01:10:49,240
on you look at it on a Google

1580
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geographical map and it looks like this

1581
01:10:56,170 --> 01:10:54,260
one big monolithic green thing but then

1582
01:10:58,060 --> 01:10:56,180
you go to the satellite shot you can see

1583
01:11:00,280 --> 01:10:58,070
little churches here and there and yeah

1584
01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:00,290
arms farms that were grandfathered into

1585
01:11:05,290 --> 01:11:03,170
the National Park and little towns kind

1586
01:11:06,910 --> 01:11:05,300
of nestled in there so when you don't

1587
01:11:09,010 --> 01:11:06,920
have much relief there either you're not

1588
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going up and down like you would in the

1589
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the Cascades or the Mackenzie's or the

1590
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the Rockies I mean there's one thing

1591
01:11:17,710 --> 01:11:15,860
that I asked Jeff dr. Jeffrey Meldrum

1592
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:17,720
when he was on the show is you know I

1593
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said you know we have you know Bigfoot

1594
01:11:23,230 --> 01:11:20,900
investigators saying that we've had

1595
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Bigfoot reports in 48 or 50 states and

1596
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he you kind of scoffed at that you know

1597
01:11:30,430 --> 01:11:27,410
he really did not come across as someone

1598
01:11:32,470 --> 01:11:30,440
who accepts the idea that Bigfoot are

1599
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seen in Ohio at the grassman for

1600
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instance or in the Pine Barrens of New

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Jersey or anywhere in New England or

1602
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some of some of the anywhere pretty much

1603
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in the Midwest

1604
01:11:49,210 --> 01:11:45,710
he said that they need a lot of terrain

1605
01:11:51,220 --> 01:11:49,220
water in places to hide you know and I

1606
01:11:54,190 --> 01:11:51,230
mentioned him the DuPont monster from

1607
01:11:56,620 --> 01:11:54,200
southern Illinois that's quite famous

1608
01:11:59,050 --> 01:11:56,630
for haunting a couple of these lovers

1609
01:12:00,589 --> 01:11:59,060
lanes and and being attracted by

1610
01:12:02,930 --> 01:12:00,599
teenagers having

1611
01:12:04,850 --> 01:12:02,940
and you know he kind of laughed at that

1612
01:12:09,109 --> 01:12:04,860
and said well you know it's

1613
01:12:10,310 --> 01:12:09,119
he doesn't really go there you know he

1614
01:12:13,310 --> 01:12:10,320
didn't really want to come down and say

1615
01:12:15,859 --> 01:12:13,320
oh that's a bunch of BS or whatever but

1616
01:12:18,819 --> 01:12:15,869
he did pretty much say no now if these

1617
01:12:21,379 --> 01:12:18,829
things are only you know northern tier

1618
01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:21,389
British Columbia watch in Northern

1619
01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:23,489
California places whether it's huge you

1620
01:12:28,540 --> 01:12:26,250
know miles and miles of virgin you know

1621
01:12:31,790 --> 01:12:28,550
for us and in this sort of thing and

1622
01:12:35,020 --> 01:12:31,800
Bigfoot in Texas they gotta be really

1623
01:12:38,569 --> 01:12:35,030
stealthy to be able to hang around

1624
01:12:39,770 --> 01:12:38,579
parking lots maybe dumpster dive some of

1625
01:12:42,050 --> 01:12:39,780
the things that they've been reported

1626
01:12:44,149 --> 01:12:42,060
doing well what do some of your favorite

1627
01:12:46,310 --> 01:12:44,159
reports that you've heard from that that

1628
01:12:49,010 --> 01:12:46,320
part of the world there of the most of

1629
01:12:51,919 --> 01:12:49,020
the activity is to our East because just

1630
01:12:54,050 --> 01:12:51,929
to address dr. Meldrum's point and I

1631
01:12:56,930 --> 01:12:54,060
have great respect for him but you know

1632
01:12:59,180 --> 01:12:56,940
if you look at a sightings map that of

1633
01:13:02,839 --> 01:12:59,190
all of North America and you overlay

1634
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:02,849
that with a map of annual rainfall it's

1635
01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:04,650
a one-to-one match I mean it's very

1636
01:13:10,310 --> 01:13:07,290
close and you know it just tracks with

1637
01:13:12,620 --> 01:13:10,320
cover where there's cover things are

1638
01:13:15,950 --> 01:13:12,630
living there and my theory is that they

1639
01:13:17,839 --> 01:13:15,960
understand what constitutes a barrier to

1640
01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:17,849
humans and they put as many of those

1641
01:13:23,270 --> 01:13:21,210
between them and us as they can but

1642
01:13:25,970 --> 01:13:23,280
they're in Florida all these swamp

1643
01:13:28,430 --> 01:13:25,980
monsters you know these stories from

1644
01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:28,440
Louisiana and throughout the Lower South

1645
01:13:34,149 --> 01:13:30,210
that have been around for a hundred

1646
01:13:36,970 --> 01:13:34,159
years or more you know the the Washita

1647
01:13:39,169 --> 01:13:36,980
Arkansas Ozarks and the boggy creek

1648
01:13:42,620 --> 01:13:39,179
Kentucky you know we've got video from

1649
01:13:44,780 --> 01:13:42,630
Ohio a friend of mine in the field I've

1650
01:13:48,500 --> 01:13:44,790
mentioned before Christopher Noel does

1651
01:13:50,660 --> 01:13:48,510
his research and for mine and he's

1652
01:13:55,729 --> 01:13:50,670
actually working on a book right now on

1653
01:13:57,709 --> 01:13:55,739
micro forests and is as making a very

1654
01:14:02,209 --> 01:13:57,719
compelling case that these things don't

1655
01:14:05,510 --> 01:14:02,219
need miles and miles of remote territory

1656
01:14:07,609 --> 01:14:05,520
in order to exist they'll live damn

1657
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:07,619
where will ever they please and that

1658
01:14:13,490 --> 01:14:09,690
might be right up next to a little rural

1659
01:14:16,100 --> 01:14:13,500
subdivision you know miles from you know

1660
01:14:17,390 --> 01:14:16,110
rather feet from from interstate

1661
01:14:19,580 --> 01:14:17,400
highways if they want to

1662
01:14:21,589 --> 01:14:19,590
people have been been cruising long on

1663
01:14:24,410 --> 01:14:21,599
the interstates and in large state

1664
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:24,420
highways for decades now and looking

1665
01:14:27,859 --> 01:14:25,770
over and seeing a Bigfoot standing there

1666
01:14:30,260 --> 01:14:27,869
watching traffic go by that's not it's

1667
01:14:32,629 --> 01:14:30,270
not an unusual description for another

1668
01:14:34,310 --> 01:14:32,639
sighting event sure and and you know by

1669
01:14:36,589 --> 01:14:34,320
what authority can we say Oh with other

1670
01:14:38,060 --> 01:14:36,599
only in the northwest and in Canada you

1671
01:14:40,220 --> 01:14:38,070
know their sighting reports at one point

1672
01:14:41,930 --> 01:14:40,230
other why what makes those so much more

1673
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:41,940
credible than sighting reports from

1674
01:14:48,490 --> 01:14:44,010
other parts of the country that have get

1675
01:14:51,260 --> 01:14:48,500
a plentiful gain and plentiful cover and

1676
01:14:53,030 --> 01:14:51,270
plentiful people there to see I don't

1677
01:14:56,180 --> 01:14:53,040
understand what you know why you would

1678
01:14:58,189 --> 01:14:56,190
just out of hand reject thousands of

1679
01:15:02,209 --> 01:14:58,199
eyewitness reports from other parts of

1680
01:15:04,010 --> 01:15:02,219
the continent simply because maybe there

1681
01:15:05,660 --> 01:15:04,020
wasn't enough you know there wasn't it

1682
01:15:06,740 --> 01:15:05,670
wasn't mountainous or something like

1683
01:15:10,129 --> 01:15:06,750
that I mean that seems like you're

1684
01:15:12,229 --> 01:15:10,139
you're creating a theory to try to fit a

1685
01:15:14,450 --> 01:15:12,239
preconceived notion instead of looking

1686
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:14,460
at what people are reporting and trying

1687
01:15:18,470 --> 01:15:16,650
to build a theory from that well you

1688
01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:18,480
know what I think it is I think that

1689
01:15:22,899 --> 01:15:20,250
that's what he thinks his colleagues who

1690
01:15:25,220 --> 01:15:22,909
are barely allowing him to get away with

1691
01:15:27,169 --> 01:15:25,230
professing interest and publicly getting

1692
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:27,179
involved in this very controversial

1693
01:15:33,350 --> 01:15:30,570
subject matter so if he makes it as

1694
01:15:36,470 --> 01:15:33,360
acceptable and sanitized as possible for

1695
01:15:39,379 --> 01:15:36,480
their liking then he retains some sort

1696
01:15:41,419 --> 01:15:39,389
of credibility if he admits that there's

1697
01:15:45,709 --> 01:15:41,429
the possibility that Bigfoot can can be

1698
01:15:47,870 --> 01:15:45,719
in Oklahoma and Kansas and places where

1699
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:47,880
there are no large forests really to

1700
01:15:52,910 --> 01:15:50,610
speak of and very few places to hide yet

1701
01:15:55,160 --> 01:15:52,920
they still have reports he would have a

1702
01:15:59,450 --> 01:15:55,170
much harder time convincing his

1703
01:16:03,109 --> 01:15:59,460
colleagues that he wasn't nuts I think

1704
01:16:04,839 --> 01:16:03,119
it's human nature yeah I do talk about

1705
01:16:07,459 --> 01:16:04,849
this too but it's human nature to always

1706
01:16:09,890 --> 01:16:07,469
think that you're staking out the

1707
01:16:11,810 --> 01:16:09,900
conservative ground and you kind of know

1708
01:16:14,870 --> 01:16:11,820
where the you know where the boundary is

1709
01:16:18,050 --> 01:16:14,880
between something that's common sense or

1710
01:16:19,910 --> 01:16:18,060
something that's investigated and other

1711
01:16:22,580 --> 01:16:19,920
things that are just wacky and nuts you

1712
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:22,590
know as I said earlier the older I get

1713
01:16:29,910 --> 01:16:27,010
I'm very slow to call people crazy

1714
01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:29,920
we continue our monster hike you're in

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thank you for listening to GCN

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today this is Marie D Jones the author

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of this book is from the future and you

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are listening to the podcast the gold

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[Music]

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so those of you who tuned in earlier in

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the episode and you wondered where Chris

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01:21:22,250 --> 01:21:19,739
was for a couple of segments we had the

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Skype audio problem a reminder too that

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we have a second radio show called after

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the para cast there's only available if

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you subscribe to the podcast plus at

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plus doctor para cast com+ that of the

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membership other than PayPal or a credit

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card through PayPal and we're going to

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look for a method where you might be

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able to use your checking account and

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maybe even Bitcoin we are looking for

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those things plus not the power cast

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comma Chris every time I buy two coin a

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big crack teeth so I'm not sure if

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people want to be biting coins in your

1849
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old school huh well Bitcoin of course is

1850
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the digital currency that I think is up

1851
01:22:12,950 --> 01:22:10,710
to like ten twelve thousand dollars now

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01:22:14,839 --> 01:22:12,960
and you said yeah I was in dollars

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imagine if I had invested a thousand

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dollars five years ago

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Just My Luck yeah I want to hear more

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01:22:26,930 --> 01:22:23,760
from you about your book and some of the

1857
01:22:29,870 --> 01:22:26,940
revelations that that you've gained

1858
01:22:31,580 --> 01:22:29,880
while being out in this environment and

1859
01:22:35,240 --> 01:22:31,590
and you know not having spent that much

1860
01:22:38,689 --> 01:22:35,250
time in central western Texas in the

1861
01:22:40,879 --> 01:22:38,699
areas where these creatures well in in

1862
01:22:43,910 --> 01:22:40,889
eastern Texas to obviously the areas

1863
01:22:46,069 --> 01:22:43,920
that predominantly feature Bigfoot

1864
01:22:47,750 --> 01:22:46,079
reports I've not spent that kind of time

1865
01:22:51,169 --> 01:22:47,760
there are now a good friend of the show

1866
01:22:54,020 --> 01:22:51,179
Nick Redfern and allow Blackburn I'm

1867
01:22:55,760 --> 01:22:54,030
sure have spent some time in these areas

1868
01:22:58,220 --> 01:22:55,770
and they've mentioned that on the show

1869
01:23:00,319 --> 01:22:58,230
but it sounds like you've actually done

1870
01:23:02,390 --> 01:23:00,329
quite a bit of traipsing around if you

1871
01:23:03,830 --> 01:23:02,400
will this part of the world and you know

1872
01:23:05,810 --> 01:23:03,840
what what do some of the locals say

1873
01:23:07,910 --> 01:23:05,820
what's some of the local folklore and

1874
01:23:10,700 --> 01:23:07,920
some of the stories that have sprung up

1875
01:23:15,350 --> 01:23:10,710
around the subject give us a sense of

1876
01:23:17,330 --> 01:23:15,360
how the local flavor of some of the of

1877
01:23:19,540 --> 01:23:17,340
some of the events you know it's

1878
01:23:24,770 --> 01:23:19,550
interesting because I've got a friend

1879
01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:24,780
who lives about five miles from where I

1880
01:23:29,780 --> 01:23:25,890
took the photo on the

1881
01:23:31,850 --> 01:23:29,790
this book we were friends in college she

1882
01:23:35,750 --> 01:23:31,860
moved back to Houston I think where she

1883
01:23:37,990 --> 01:23:35,760
grew up and when I pushed this out on

1884
01:23:40,790 --> 01:23:38,000
Facebook that I had published this book

1885
01:23:42,340 --> 01:23:40,800
she was totally shocked never heard of

1886
01:23:45,020 --> 01:23:42,350
this before

1887
01:23:49,790 --> 01:23:45,030
what are you talking about I can't

1888
01:23:52,060 --> 01:23:49,800
believe this and so you know my my

1889
01:23:55,580 --> 01:23:52,070
experience with the locals out there are

1890
01:23:57,860 --> 01:23:55,590
that many of them have never even never

1891
01:24:00,380 --> 01:23:57,870
heard this before and it just goes to

1892
01:24:02,840 --> 01:24:00,390
show you that the taboo that's in place

1893
01:24:05,240 --> 01:24:02,850
around the subject you'll you'll run

1894
01:24:07,670 --> 01:24:05,250
into peoples I've very self-assured all

1895
01:24:09,380 --> 01:24:07,680
I've I've hunted all my life and I've

1896
01:24:11,780 --> 01:24:09,390
never seen anything out there there you

1897
01:24:14,060 --> 01:24:11,790
know and then therefore this probably

1898
01:24:16,790 --> 01:24:14,070
doesn't exist or this can't exist I've

1899
01:24:19,130 --> 01:24:16,800
hunted and fished all my life and I've

1900
01:24:21,200 --> 01:24:19,140
spent days and days outdoors and I've

1901
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:21,210
never seen anything you know you'll hear

1902
01:24:26,360 --> 01:24:23,010
a lot of that kind of thing a lot of

1903
01:24:28,190 --> 01:24:26,370
denial and it just goes to show you that

1904
01:24:31,280 --> 01:24:28,200
it's I think there are two things going

1905
01:24:33,830 --> 01:24:31,290
on with this phenomena one is they're

1906
01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:33,840
stealth and they have a whole range of

1907
01:24:38,810 --> 01:24:36,690
tools in their toolbox to achieve that

1908
01:24:43,390 --> 01:24:38,820
stuff but the other part of it that's

1909
01:24:45,740 --> 01:24:43,400
equally important is our obliviousness

1910
01:24:48,920 --> 01:24:45,750
you know we're just not that observant

1911
01:24:50,840 --> 01:24:48,930
in the scheme of things you know if I

1912
01:24:54,080 --> 01:24:50,850
hadn't been into this subject and I if I

1913
01:24:56,210 --> 01:24:54,090
had not known what I was looking at and

1914
01:24:58,070 --> 01:24:56,220
for I would have gone through eight days

1915
01:25:00,380 --> 01:24:58,080
and seen and heard absolutely nothing

1916
01:25:02,300 --> 01:25:00,390
out of the ordinary I would have I would

1917
01:25:04,520 --> 01:25:02,310
have noticed the prints that I noticed I

1918
01:25:09,410 --> 01:25:04,530
would have written off any of the sounds

1919
01:25:11,270 --> 01:25:09,420
I heard over night birds or coyotes you

1920
01:25:13,430 --> 01:25:11,280
know the mine would have rationalized

1921
01:25:15,710 --> 01:25:13,440
away any any odd thing that I would have

1922
01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:15,720
seen now you know occasionally they'll

1923
01:25:19,730 --> 01:25:17,730
be an exception to that one will step on

1924
01:25:21,230 --> 01:25:19,740
the trail in front of somebody across

1925
01:25:23,900 --> 01:25:21,240
the highway in front of somebody and

1926
01:25:26,330 --> 01:25:23,910
there's that shocking realization that

1927
01:25:28,610 --> 01:25:26,340
oh my gosh there's something out here

1928
01:25:30,620 --> 01:25:28,620
that really shouldn't be out here but in

1929
01:25:33,500 --> 01:25:30,630
the case of most people we kind of

1930
01:25:36,490 --> 01:25:33,510
wander through life with our eyes at eye

1931
01:25:38,640 --> 01:25:36,500
level you know not looking up or down

1932
01:25:40,620 --> 01:25:38,650
we're looking down at our

1933
01:25:42,870 --> 01:25:40,630
cellphones well there you go yeah I

1934
01:25:44,970 --> 01:25:42,880
stake her I mean how many videos have

1935
01:25:47,640 --> 01:25:44,980
you seen now online of people walking

1936
01:25:50,760 --> 01:25:47,650
you know into fence posts into lamp

1937
01:25:53,700 --> 01:25:50,770
posts and falling into fountains into

1938
01:25:55,590 --> 01:25:53,710
holes construction sites you see that

1939
01:26:00,570 --> 01:25:55,600
did you see the guy in China on his bike

1940
01:26:02,040 --> 01:26:00,580
that rode his bike into a sinkhole he

1941
01:26:06,990 --> 01:26:02,050
was looking at a cell phone while he was

1942
01:26:09,510 --> 01:26:07,000
riding his bike I've seen people almost

1943
01:26:12,510 --> 01:26:09,520
take me out on the road just disappears

1944
01:26:14,490 --> 01:26:12,520
off driving but that's our nature right

1945
01:26:16,979 --> 01:26:14,500
where we were absorbed in our own little

1946
01:26:18,360 --> 01:26:16,989
worlds if you haven't committed to a

1947
01:26:20,280 --> 01:26:18,370
believer if you're if you're not at

1948
01:26:23,070 --> 01:26:20,290
least open to the idea that these things

1949
01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:23,080
are out there then you would never you

1950
01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:24,610
would never see anything hear anything

1951
01:26:29,160 --> 01:26:26,890
out of the ordinary unless it was some

1952
01:26:32,340 --> 01:26:29,170
extraordinary and I think I think that

1953
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:32,350
the occasions where there have been

1954
01:26:40,860 --> 01:26:36,010
where they've made mistakes and been

1955
01:26:43,320 --> 01:26:40,870
spotted I believe are probably 90% to do

1956
01:26:45,419 --> 01:26:43,330
with juveniles you know what's the most

1957
01:26:47,729 --> 01:26:45,429
dangerous animal in the wild it's a

1958
01:26:50,189 --> 01:26:47,739
mother grizzly right that's somebody

1959
01:26:52,950 --> 01:26:50,199
who's gotten in between a mother grizzly

1960
01:26:55,500 --> 01:26:52,960
and her cubs and I think that just in

1961
01:26:57,000 --> 01:26:55,510
the nature of nature of juveniles and we

1962
01:26:59,370 --> 01:26:57,010
know this from our own juveniles don't

1963
01:27:00,810 --> 01:26:59,380
we that they go places are not supposed

1964
01:27:03,090 --> 01:27:00,820
to go they do things are not supposed to

1965
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:03,100
do and it's up to the parents to rein

1966
01:27:07,050 --> 01:27:05,050
them in and so I think in the cases

1967
01:27:11,459 --> 01:27:07,060
where they have been spotted my bet is

1968
01:27:13,950 --> 01:27:11,469
that a lot of those cases are related to

1969
01:27:16,169 --> 01:27:13,960
well someone's accidentally walked into

1970
01:27:18,660 --> 01:27:16,179
a nursery or someone's now building a

1971
01:27:21,630 --> 01:27:18,670
campfire underneath the tree and there's

1972
01:27:23,459 --> 01:27:21,640
a juvenile of the tree and so an adult

1973
01:27:25,020 --> 01:27:23,469
has to come forward harass that person

1974
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:25,030
out of the area to get them away from

1975
01:27:29,669 --> 01:27:27,610
their babies I think I think that has a

1976
01:27:31,080 --> 01:27:29,679
lot to do with it but that's just a

1977
01:27:36,090 --> 01:27:31,090
long-winded way of saying I think the

1978
01:27:39,240 --> 01:27:36,100
our obliviousness is equally a factor in

1979
01:27:42,600 --> 01:27:39,250
all of this as is their stuff you know

1980
01:27:45,930 --> 01:27:42,610
again human nature being what it is you

1981
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:45,940
know I've often said that when people

1982
01:27:51,510 --> 01:27:48,010
talk about UFO disclosure for instance

1983
01:27:53,940 --> 01:27:51,520
that even if you know Obama or

1984
01:27:57,870 --> 01:27:53,950
well now if Trump if Trump had walked

1985
01:28:00,030 --> 01:27:57,880
into the West Wing to a press conference

1986
01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:00,040
maybe in the Rose Garden hand-in-hand

1987
01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:01,930
with a little you know three-foot grey

1988
01:28:06,900 --> 01:28:05,530
alien that probably over half the people

1989
01:28:09,090 --> 01:28:06,910
watching it wouldn't believe it they

1990
01:28:10,380 --> 01:28:09,100
think it was some special effects thing

1991
01:28:12,510 --> 01:28:10,390
and there was a government just trying

1992
01:28:14,580 --> 01:28:12,520
to pull another fast one on the American

1993
01:28:18,330 --> 01:28:14,590
people people wouldn't believe their own

1994
01:28:21,690 --> 01:28:18,340
eyes yeah so to ask people to suspend

1995
01:28:25,130 --> 01:28:21,700
their their their you know their belief

1996
01:28:27,660 --> 01:28:25,140
in anything in this country especially

1997
01:28:30,810 --> 01:28:27,670
you know is you're asking for

1998
01:28:32,250 --> 01:28:30,820
honestly impossible because people don't

1999
01:28:34,500 --> 01:28:32,260
know what to believe in they don't know

2000
01:28:38,250 --> 01:28:34,510
what to not believe in I think things

2001
01:28:41,850 --> 01:28:38,260
are so topsy-turvy and screwy and you

2002
01:28:44,720 --> 01:28:41,860
know science is is becoming so you know

2003
01:28:49,670 --> 01:28:44,730
isolated away from the everyday person

2004
01:28:52,470 --> 01:28:49,680
except for Neil what's-his-name Tyson

2005
01:28:54,900 --> 01:28:52,480
you know maybe Stephen Hawking in his

2006
01:28:56,160 --> 01:28:54,910
own robotic sort of way would be you

2007
01:28:59,250 --> 01:28:56,170
know would be exceptions to that rule

2008
01:29:01,650 --> 01:28:59,260
but you know people are shutting down I

2009
01:29:04,680 --> 01:29:01,660
think around a lot of their reality

2010
01:29:07,320 --> 01:29:04,690
based upbringing and I think that

2011
01:29:09,330 --> 01:29:07,330
they're they're looking for for new and

2012
01:29:12,360 --> 01:29:09,340
different things to believe in because

2013
01:29:15,450 --> 01:29:12,370
quite frankly we're losing a lot of the

2014
01:29:19,250 --> 01:29:15,460
things in our culture which no they they

2015
01:29:23,010 --> 01:29:19,260
kind of inspire us and and get us

2016
01:29:24,959 --> 01:29:23,020
wondering and you know there's just so

2017
01:29:27,870 --> 01:29:24,969
much contention and so much divisiveness

2018
01:29:29,580 --> 01:29:27,880
that's going on right now that Bigfoot

2019
01:29:33,810 --> 01:29:29,590
hey why not you know at least I can

2020
01:29:36,060 --> 01:29:33,820
believe in something you know it's

2021
01:29:37,740 --> 01:29:36,070
either that or no way like that could

2022
01:29:43,700 --> 01:29:37,750
never exist because I don't understand

2023
01:29:48,479 --> 01:29:46,140
well what do you think do you think you

2024
01:29:50,340 --> 01:29:48,489
know people in the south that encounter

2025
01:29:52,830 --> 01:29:50,350
a skunk ape I mean do they think that

2026
01:29:54,450 --> 01:29:52,840
they've been cursed by the devil and and

2027
01:29:56,490 --> 01:29:54,460
what they're seeing is of the devil and

2028
01:29:59,070 --> 01:29:56,500
that that they you know God you know as

2029
01:30:00,730 --> 01:29:59,080
a god-fearing bible-thumping Bible Belt

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you know

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parishioner or your church member do you

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think that they've been singled out by

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you know what what's their thinking I

2034
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mean how does right-wing conservative

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Bible something you know primal

2036
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Christian if you will how do they

2037
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reconcile a Bigfoot experience let's

2038
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have the exact question let's have the

2039
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answer our next segment how do we don't

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want to have that started with gene and

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[Music]

2141
01:34:59,660 --> 01:34:57,500
hi this is Bryce label I'm the producer

2142
01:35:01,580 --> 01:34:59,670
of dark skies the co-author of AD after

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disclosure and you are listening to the

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para cast the gold standard of

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paranormal radio

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[Music]

2147
01:35:19,630 --> 01:35:16,480
okay we're now on troubled ground here

2148
01:35:21,970 --> 01:35:19,640
Averell seal joining gene and Chris and

2149
01:35:27,720 --> 01:35:21,980
Chris is getting into it I'm not going

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01:35:30,970 --> 01:35:27,730
to even you know you know we are

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01:35:32,830 --> 01:35:30,980
religions man well that they're seen in

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01:35:35,140 --> 01:35:32,840
Kentucky they're seen in Arkansas

2153
01:35:37,390 --> 01:35:35,150
they're seen in in northern Florida

2154
01:35:39,520 --> 01:35:37,400
they're seen in Georgia and there's a

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01:35:41,170 --> 01:35:39,530
lot of born-again Christians and

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01:35:43,780 --> 01:35:41,180
Baptists and stuff that live in these

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01:35:45,760 --> 01:35:43,790
places how do they deal with an

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01:35:47,440 --> 01:35:45,770
experience with something that's not

2159
01:35:49,900 --> 01:35:47,450
supposed to exist in there God you know

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01:35:52,180 --> 01:35:49,910
fear in the universe right that's a

2161
01:35:56,260 --> 01:35:52,190
legitimate question that's a good

2162
01:35:58,570 --> 01:35:56,270
question and in fact I have mentioned

2163
01:36:00,370 --> 01:35:58,580
Baptists in this book because in this

2164
01:36:02,170 --> 01:36:00,380
particular forest it's about a hundred

2165
01:36:05,830 --> 01:36:02,180
percent I say a hundred percent market

2166
01:36:09,730 --> 01:36:05,840
share realizes are these one-room

2167
01:36:13,150 --> 01:36:09,740
Baptist churches you know as far as I'm

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01:36:14,110 --> 01:36:13,160
aware there's nothing in the Bible that

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01:36:17,280 --> 01:36:14,120
says

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01:36:20,500 --> 01:36:17,290
that these things can't exist and

2171
01:36:22,930 --> 01:36:20,510
connected that they cannot exist I think

2172
01:36:25,660 --> 01:36:22,940
some people who you know who look to the

2173
01:36:27,790 --> 01:36:25,670
Bible for justification or for

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01:36:30,570 --> 01:36:27,800
explanation the things a lot of them

2175
01:36:34,150 --> 01:36:30,580
look at Genesis chapter 6 this

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01:36:37,690 --> 01:36:34,160
nonchalant bizarre mention of giants in

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01:36:40,900 --> 01:36:37,700
the earth in the the verses in those

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01:36:44,890 --> 01:36:40,910
days and even later there were giants in

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01:36:47,710 --> 01:36:44,900
the earth if you're eating Genesis

2180
01:36:49,210 --> 01:36:47,720
closely there's enough there you know

2181
01:36:51,820 --> 01:36:49,220
that you could hang this whole

2182
01:36:53,740 --> 01:36:51,830
phenomenon on that if you wanted to use

2183
01:36:57,940 --> 01:36:53,750
the same giants that found the women of

2184
01:37:01,150 --> 01:36:57,950
Earth fair yes the same ones interesting

2185
01:37:04,060 --> 01:37:01,160
the Nephilim is the plural of Hebron

2186
01:37:05,920 --> 01:37:04,070
right so make of that make of that what

2187
01:37:07,930 --> 01:37:05,930
you want you know I think it's I think

2188
01:37:11,140 --> 01:37:07,940
it's interesting I'd I don't know that

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01:37:17,620 --> 01:37:11,150
that this is that's what these are

2190
01:37:19,799 --> 01:37:17,630
referring to but I haven't heard that I

2191
01:37:21,810 --> 01:37:19,809
do think there's more

2192
01:37:24,180 --> 01:37:21,820
kind of a code of silence across the

2193
01:37:26,430 --> 01:37:24,190
south I've kind of picked up on that and

2194
01:37:28,439 --> 01:37:26,440
Mamaw and papaw you know would see these

2195
01:37:31,020 --> 01:37:28,449
things and they they tell people don't

2196
01:37:32,399 --> 01:37:31,030
don't be talking about that you know you

2197
01:37:34,290 --> 01:37:32,409
go into town don't tell people about

2198
01:37:38,189 --> 01:37:34,300
that we don't you know there's a there's

2199
01:37:40,459 --> 01:37:38,199
a sort of instinctive silence that comes

2200
01:37:42,810 --> 01:37:40,469
in a curtain of silence that falls over

2201
01:37:44,339 --> 01:37:42,820
things that you might be accused of

2202
01:37:47,220 --> 01:37:44,349
being crazy and that's just I think a

2203
01:37:49,470 --> 01:37:47,230
heightened sense of reputation you know

2204
01:37:53,459 --> 01:37:49,480
guarded more guarded sense of reputation

2205
01:37:55,830 --> 01:37:53,469
that's cultural in the south Bob Garrett

2206
01:37:57,779 --> 01:37:55,840
has talked about that on some of the

2207
01:38:00,870 --> 01:37:57,789
podcasts that I referred to in the book

2208
01:38:04,399 --> 01:38:00,880
he's the investigator in that area that

2209
01:38:07,049 --> 01:38:04,409
I talk at a pretty great length about

2210
01:38:11,549 --> 01:38:07,059
but you know I remember him saying on

2211
01:38:13,439 --> 01:38:11,559
one show that his his either his parents

2212
01:38:15,600 --> 01:38:13,449
or his grandparents or whoever was he he

2213
01:38:18,270 --> 01:38:15,610
first asked about because he saw one

2214
01:38:20,040 --> 01:38:18,280
when he was a teenager out there they

2215
01:38:22,229 --> 01:38:20,050
said yeah you know just leave those

2216
01:38:24,810 --> 01:38:22,239
things alone and don't talk about me

2217
01:38:26,580 --> 01:38:24,820
anybody that was kind of the party line

2218
01:38:28,919 --> 01:38:26,590
you know and I think that's probably

2219
01:38:30,660 --> 01:38:28,929
true for a lot of families across the

2220
01:38:32,459 --> 01:38:30,670
south they don't they don't want

2221
01:38:35,160 --> 01:38:32,469
strangers coming in and investigating

2222
01:38:39,870 --> 01:38:35,170
things they might find the still you

2223
01:38:43,160 --> 01:38:39,880
know or they might find the inbred you

2224
01:38:46,470 --> 01:38:43,170
know cousin Larry you know and he knows

2225
01:38:49,169 --> 01:38:46,480
you see cousin Larry's gonna write us

2226
01:38:55,529 --> 01:38:49,179
and say why did you do that I'm gonna

2227
01:38:58,109 --> 01:38:55,539
sue you I get sued by cousin Larry well

2228
01:39:02,760 --> 01:38:58,119
I could have really been ethnocentric

2229
01:39:06,689 --> 01:39:02,770
and said Jethro or you know some will

2230
01:39:09,899 --> 01:39:06,699
need your kind of stereotyped southern

2231
01:39:11,669 --> 01:39:09,909
male name remember but a narrow narrow

2232
01:39:13,589 --> 01:39:11,679
narrow narrow narrow narrow alright stop

2233
01:39:17,040 --> 01:39:13,599
our guests lose in Texas

2234
01:39:18,390 --> 01:39:17,050
yes he does I'm not like that I love

2235
01:39:20,250 --> 01:39:18,400
southern people I think that they're

2236
01:39:25,080 --> 01:39:20,260
genuine there they're like very

2237
01:39:28,560 --> 01:39:25,090
straightforward you know they're fun

2238
01:39:32,009 --> 01:39:28,570
have great sayings I've never you know

2239
01:39:33,250 --> 01:39:32,019
my favorite Texan was my favorite text

2240
01:39:36,490 --> 01:39:33,260
and because of his ear

2241
01:39:41,920 --> 01:39:36,500
and he would come up with with analogies

2242
01:39:45,220 --> 01:39:41,930
that would just curl your toes Texas

2243
01:39:49,240 --> 01:39:45,230
just have a way of describing things as

2244
01:39:53,050 --> 01:39:49,250
being like other things I think few

2245
01:39:55,900 --> 01:39:53,060
mortals can rival the ingenuity of Texas

2246
01:40:04,960 --> 01:39:55,910
axioms busier than a mosquito in a

2247
01:40:12,580 --> 01:40:04,970
nudist colony yeah what's the the

2248
01:40:28,800 --> 01:40:12,590
Confucius one about non-violence you

2249
01:40:35,170 --> 01:40:32,290
so okay in a perfect world know you're

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01:40:38,080 --> 01:40:35,180
out there tramping along you're hitting

2251
01:40:40,890 --> 01:40:38,090
some of these wonderful areas that have

2252
01:40:44,680 --> 01:40:40,900
all these thickets and and you know

2253
01:40:47,560 --> 01:40:44,690
wonderful pine forest I mean what what

2254
01:40:50,700 --> 01:40:47,570
are you expecting to encounter what

2255
01:40:54,070 --> 01:40:50,710
would be your ideal eyes din counter

2256
01:40:56,050 --> 01:40:54,080
that wouldn't leave you you know having

2257
01:40:58,330 --> 01:40:56,060
to change your drawers well that's the

2258
01:41:00,100 --> 01:40:58,340
great question you know I thought about

2259
01:41:01,390 --> 01:41:00,110
that a lot before I went out there is it

2260
01:41:05,200 --> 01:41:01,400
okay I'm gonna be out there for eight

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01:41:08,500 --> 01:41:05,210
days and however many nights I can I can

2262
01:41:10,990 --> 01:41:08,510
hack out there what do I want you know

2263
01:41:13,540 --> 01:41:11,000
what do i what do I want to see because

2264
01:41:15,160 --> 01:41:13,550
the more stories I hear the last year I

2265
01:41:18,130 --> 01:41:15,170
am I would want to see one of these

2266
01:41:22,710 --> 01:41:18,140
things people have all kinds of

2267
01:41:25,510 --> 01:41:22,720
different reactions to seeing them and

2268
01:41:28,150 --> 01:41:25,520
let me just insert here that in my

2269
01:41:32,830 --> 01:41:28,160
estimation there have been 10,000

2270
01:41:39,670 --> 01:41:32,840
reports of Bigfoots in North America

2271
01:41:41,800 --> 01:41:39,680
over the last 150 years say so that this

2272
01:41:44,860 --> 01:41:41,810
10,000 number is the number I come back

2273
01:41:46,780 --> 01:41:44,870
to often but from that from all the

2274
01:41:51,150 --> 01:41:46,790
witnesses that we you know

2275
01:41:53,860 --> 01:41:51,160
everything from kind of awestruck wonder

2276
01:41:55,960 --> 01:41:53,870
to the the soiled pants that you

2277
01:42:00,240 --> 01:41:55,970
referred to a minute ago to really

2278
01:42:02,560 --> 01:42:00,250
serious trauma guys who give up hunting

2279
01:42:03,990 --> 01:42:02,570
you know lifelong hunters who never go

2280
01:42:06,100 --> 01:42:04,000
back into the woods

2281
01:42:08,530 --> 01:42:06,110
there have been you know people

2282
01:42:10,000 --> 01:42:08,540
suspected of having heart attacks and

2283
01:42:11,680 --> 01:42:10,010
dying you know that's impossible to

2284
01:42:13,900 --> 01:42:11,690
prove that that was the cause but

2285
01:42:17,140 --> 01:42:13,910
they're there there are a lot of people

2286
01:42:19,680 --> 01:42:17,150
that suspect that you know some some

2287
01:42:23,500 --> 01:42:19,690
traumatic events like that or because of

2288
01:42:26,800 --> 01:42:23,510
encounters so you know be careful what

2289
01:42:28,600 --> 01:42:26,810
you ask for is the answer the question

2290
01:42:31,270 --> 01:42:28,610
because I am not at all sure even to

2291
01:42:33,820 --> 01:42:31,280
this day that I want to see one I mean I

2292
01:42:38,850 --> 01:42:33,830
my I guess my ideal encounter crest

2293
01:42:42,430 --> 01:42:38,860
would be something at about 75 yards

2294
01:42:46,000 --> 01:42:42,440
that was where I'm seeing them and they

2295
01:42:47,560 --> 01:42:46,010
are not seeing me and they're crossing a

2296
01:42:50,110 --> 01:42:47,570
trail or something like that and I can

2297
01:42:53,080 --> 01:42:50,120
say okay downwind and and and in the

2298
01:42:56,020 --> 01:42:53,090
stank as it were exactly I be smelling

2299
01:43:00,880 --> 01:42:56,030
them and they would not be smelling me

2300
01:43:03,070 --> 01:43:00,890
you know but and then and then as your

2301
01:43:06,750 --> 01:43:03,080
motor drive on your camera was just

2302
01:43:10,780 --> 01:43:06,760
whizzing by he would slowly turn in

2303
01:43:14,620 --> 01:43:10,790
macaques head and then vanish like a

2304
01:43:17,770 --> 01:43:14,630
phantom in the in the mists of London

2305
01:43:21,730 --> 01:43:17,780
Fog or something yeah by you know photos

2306
01:43:22,870 --> 01:43:21,740
are an interesting topic because you

2307
01:43:26,530 --> 01:43:22,880
know at this point there are so many

2308
01:43:29,470 --> 01:43:26,540
photos in existence that there's so many

2309
01:43:31,690 --> 01:43:29,480
blob Squatch photos I think is the turn

2310
01:43:34,210 --> 01:43:31,700
well that is a term if there are also

2311
01:43:36,520 --> 01:43:34,220
some clear ones - in you know for

2312
01:43:40,540 --> 01:43:36,530
skeptics who won't be convinced by

2313
01:43:42,540 --> 01:43:40,550
anything you know one of the I go

2314
01:43:47,310 --> 01:43:42,550
through the in the book this typology of

2315
01:43:50,380 --> 01:43:47,320
belief you know people who are seekers

2316
01:43:54,970 --> 01:43:50,390
people who are believers people who are

2317
01:43:57,250 --> 01:43:54,980
knowers was a subset of believers people

2318
01:43:59,260 --> 01:43:57,260
who are denialists you will just deny it

2319
01:43:59,970 --> 01:43:59,270
no kind of like you what you were saying

2320
01:44:03,090 --> 01:43:59,980
about the three

2321
01:44:05,370 --> 01:44:03,100
but alien and the rose-garden no matter

2322
01:44:07,890 --> 01:44:05,380
what they're shown they're gonna they're

2323
01:44:09,950 --> 01:44:07,900
gonna find a way to explain it away and

2324
01:44:11,940 --> 01:44:09,960
you know you show people a fuzzy picture

2325
01:44:13,470 --> 01:44:11,950
and they'll say well that's a blob

2326
01:44:15,240 --> 01:44:13,480
Squatch you know there's no way that

2327
01:44:16,740 --> 01:44:15,250
thing is real and you show them a

2328
01:44:19,080 --> 01:44:16,750
clearer picture and they say well that's

2329
01:44:20,250 --> 01:44:19,090
way too clear that's obviously a hoax

2330
01:44:23,610 --> 01:44:20,260
you know nothing would ever be that

2331
01:44:26,940 --> 01:44:23,620
clear so they concoct criteria for proof

2332
01:44:30,150 --> 01:44:26,950
that can never be satisfied in and

2333
01:44:33,270 --> 01:44:30,160
that's that's the sign of what I call

2334
01:44:35,670 --> 01:44:33,280
the denialist them are the radicals

2335
01:44:39,570 --> 01:44:35,680
plenty of them around irrational

2336
01:44:41,850 --> 01:44:39,580
skeptics who were you know fervor in UFO

2337
01:44:44,660 --> 01:44:41,860
phenomenon that try to explain all well

2338
01:44:50,400 --> 01:44:44,670
all UFOs or swamp gas or ball lightning

2339
01:44:52,979 --> 01:44:50,410
you mean they're not here I was looking

2340
01:44:55,260 --> 01:44:52,989
for all the swamp cast you know the guy

2341
01:44:59,030 --> 01:44:55,270
who brought up swamp cast dr. J Allen

2342
01:45:04,110 --> 01:44:59,040
Hynek almost never lived that down

2343
01:45:06,780 --> 01:45:04,120
really because yeah I think he realized

2344
01:45:09,090 --> 01:45:06,790
that he was basically being forced to

2345
01:45:10,560 --> 01:45:09,100
say something I was swamp cast something

2346
01:45:13,800 --> 01:45:10,570
of that nature

2347
01:45:15,979 --> 01:45:13,810
we have Abraham's seal and we have gene

2348
01:45:19,380 --> 01:45:15,989
Steinberg and we have Chris O'Brien

2349
01:45:24,680 --> 01:45:19,390
we're taking a monster hike you're in

2350
01:45:24,690 --> 01:45:28,699
[Music]

2351
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2403
01:48:05,140 --> 01:48:03,400
before we got started you heard that

2404
01:48:08,080 --> 01:48:05,150
part of the episode I was talking with

2405
01:48:12,550 --> 01:48:08,090
April about the area he selected which

2406
01:48:15,160 --> 01:48:12,560
was a forest to look into and he

2407
01:48:17,140 --> 01:48:15,170
mentioned that it we had Sasquatch there

2408
01:48:18,880 --> 01:48:17,150
but not so much other events how does

2409
01:48:21,040 --> 01:48:18,890
one look into something like that if

2410
01:48:23,500 --> 01:48:21,050
he's going back there to see if there's

2411
01:48:25,450 --> 01:48:23,510
a possibility this is a portal what

2412
01:48:31,510 --> 01:48:25,460
should he do this is for Chris right

2413
01:48:34,290 --> 01:48:31,520
yeah for Chris Oh me you're on I don't

2414
01:48:38,290 --> 01:48:34,300
know bring an extra change of underwear

2415
01:48:41,020 --> 01:48:38,300
Jack you have you know no lust for

2416
01:48:44,710 --> 01:48:41,030
result no expectations you know always

2417
01:48:47,170 --> 01:48:44,720
be vigilant mark out your campsite very

2418
01:48:51,550 --> 01:48:47,180
carefully with you know tin cans and

2419
01:48:53,320 --> 01:48:51,560
fish line or whatever type of motion

2420
01:48:55,750 --> 01:48:53,330
sensing equipment that you have battery

2421
01:48:59,070 --> 01:48:55,760
life for because you want an early

2422
01:49:01,840 --> 01:48:59,080
warning system there's a bunch of things

2423
01:49:03,640 --> 01:49:01,850
to me it's it's like looking for a stack

2424
01:49:05,890 --> 01:49:03,650
of needle or a needle in a stack of

2425
01:49:09,060 --> 01:49:05,900
needles you know that's why a lot of

2426
01:49:12,010 --> 01:49:09,070
these shows I can't believe that people

2427
01:49:14,380 --> 01:49:12,020
take them seriously because the least

2428
01:49:16,150 --> 01:49:14,390
likely time that you're gonna find a

2429
01:49:18,370 --> 01:49:16,160
Bigfoot or encounter a Bigfoot is when

2430
01:49:19,810 --> 01:49:18,380
you're looking for one and that would be

2431
01:49:22,300 --> 01:49:19,820
my biggest argument against the

2432
01:49:24,520 --> 01:49:22,310
authenticity of the of the Gimlin

2433
01:49:25,390 --> 01:49:24,530
Patterson film for instance the very

2434
01:49:27,310 --> 01:49:25,400
fact that they were out there looking

2435
01:49:29,560 --> 01:49:27,320
for a Bigfoot and found one and we're

2436
01:49:31,120 --> 01:49:29,570
able to film it rings alarm bells in my

2437
01:49:34,480 --> 01:49:31,130
mind it's invariably

2438
01:49:36,670 --> 01:49:34,490
the the last thing on your mind is when

2439
01:49:41,290 --> 01:49:36,680
you generally encounter these these

2440
01:49:45,070 --> 01:49:41,300
creatures in in the same with weather I

2441
01:49:46,360 --> 01:49:45,080
think not every you have so UFO sighting

2442
01:49:48,070 --> 01:49:46,370
of course but

2443
01:49:50,170 --> 01:49:48,080
I've seen plenty of UFOs when I've been

2444
01:49:53,020 --> 01:49:50,180
out looking for them but with Bigfoot

2445
01:49:55,180 --> 01:49:53,030
it's different there seems to be a you

2446
01:49:56,770 --> 01:49:55,190
know it's almost like they can pick up

2447
01:49:59,050 --> 01:49:56,780
on your intentions or something that

2448
01:50:02,260 --> 01:49:59,060
they have some weird sick sense that

2449
01:50:04,960 --> 01:50:02,270
then that allows them to avoid people

2450
01:50:07,780 --> 01:50:04,970
who are out looking for them and very

2451
01:50:09,310 --> 01:50:07,790
you know they you do hear accounts of

2452
01:50:11,610 --> 01:50:09,320
people stumbling on them and the Bigfoot

2453
01:50:14,790 --> 01:50:11,620
looks as surprised as the person feels

2454
01:50:17,620 --> 01:50:14,800
but they're they're an exception

2455
01:50:20,050 --> 01:50:17,630
generally it's a Bigfoot revealing

2456
01:50:24,850 --> 01:50:20,060
himself and allowing you to see him or

2457
01:50:26,110 --> 01:50:24,860
her it tends to be more at least you

2458
01:50:30,070 --> 01:50:26,120
know and I'm generalizing here a little

2459
01:50:32,230 --> 01:50:30,080
bit obviously but but my sense is they

2460
01:50:34,240 --> 01:50:32,240
reveal themselves when they feel the

2461
01:50:38,230 --> 01:50:34,250
time is right in the particular person

2462
01:50:39,640 --> 01:50:38,240
is right for some reason and that's why

2463
01:50:42,460 --> 01:50:39,650
I think that there's a snowball's chance

2464
01:50:44,500 --> 01:50:42,470
in hell that Matt moneymaker any of

2465
01:50:47,290 --> 01:50:44,510
these people that then are seeing bangin

2466
01:50:50,380 --> 01:50:47,300
trees on TV are ever going to really

2467
01:50:53,680 --> 01:50:50,390
have a true encounter I think we have a

2468
01:50:55,360 --> 01:50:53,690
lot of feigned drama going on not having

2469
01:50:57,370 --> 01:50:55,370
seen any of the shows I really can't

2470
01:50:59,800 --> 01:50:57,380
tell you that for sure but that would be

2471
01:51:02,590 --> 01:50:59,810
my guess I've got one thing to say about

2472
01:51:05,230 --> 01:51:02,600
this business of okay not tree knocking

2473
01:51:08,320 --> 01:51:05,240
and calling and calling for responses

2474
01:51:10,500 --> 01:51:08,330
and you know I did that a couple of

2475
01:51:14,350 --> 01:51:10,510
times with my boys in the early days

2476
01:51:16,720 --> 01:51:14,360
just kind of for fun just just goofing

2477
01:51:18,180 --> 01:51:16,730
around but I stopped doing that I

2478
01:51:20,950 --> 01:51:18,190
stopped doing both of those things

2479
01:51:23,860 --> 01:51:20,960
because one day it just dawned on me I

2480
01:51:26,920 --> 01:51:23,870
have no idea what I'm saying you know if

2481
01:51:30,400 --> 01:51:26,930
this is a form of communication maybe a

2482
01:51:34,720 --> 01:51:30,410
tree knock is there's a deer down over

2483
01:51:38,580 --> 01:51:34,730
here and then one comes over expecting a

2484
01:51:40,840 --> 01:51:38,590
deer down and they see me and they say

2485
01:51:45,700 --> 01:51:40,850
well it doesn't look very appetizing but

2486
01:51:48,850 --> 01:51:45,710
I guess it'll do it's just a justice to

2487
01:51:53,740 --> 01:51:48,860
say that let's be careful about speaking

2488
01:51:56,950 --> 01:51:53,750
of language what is we're saying wow

2489
01:51:57,330 --> 01:51:56,960
that's that's a really good point in I

2490
01:51:58,830 --> 01:51:57,340
guess

2491
01:52:00,900 --> 01:51:58,840
you're doing it aggressively you might

2492
01:52:03,380 --> 01:52:00,910
be asking for trouble yeah I'm it could

2493
01:52:05,850 --> 01:52:03,390
be it could be males being territorial

2494
01:52:09,060 --> 01:52:05,860
saying you know stay out of this area

2495
01:52:10,650 --> 01:52:09,070
and so you're you're there screaming you

2496
01:52:12,960 --> 01:52:10,660
know that's taken as a threat to another

2497
01:52:15,740 --> 01:52:12,970
male and a family group yeah you don't

2498
01:52:20,490 --> 01:52:15,750
want to be on the wrong side of that

2499
01:52:22,860 --> 01:52:20,500
encounter no it's just that's what you

2500
01:52:26,060 --> 01:52:22,870
said earlier about stealth being the

2501
01:52:30,360 --> 01:52:26,070
wiser path is something that I really

2502
01:52:32,430 --> 01:52:30,370
decided was true and finding bigfoot' is

2503
01:52:34,650 --> 01:52:32,440
as fine as so long as it goes I mean

2504
01:52:36,600 --> 01:52:34,660
it's entertaining the most compelling

2505
01:52:40,260 --> 01:52:36,610
part of the show to me are the the

2506
01:52:43,410 --> 01:52:40,270
witness encounters they talked to over

2507
01:52:45,720 --> 01:52:43,420
90 by my estimation I mean they've done

2508
01:52:49,350 --> 01:52:45,730
over 90 episodes and in every episode

2509
01:52:51,150 --> 01:52:49,360
there's probably 35 people that raise

2510
01:52:53,070 --> 01:52:51,160
their hands and tell their stories and

2511
01:52:56,310 --> 01:52:53,080
to me that's that's the best part of the

2512
01:52:59,430 --> 01:52:56,320
show is hearing these people's their

2513
01:53:03,000 --> 01:52:59,440
encounter stories but they never seem to

2514
01:53:05,730 --> 01:53:03,010
get any closer to the goal one I think

2515
01:53:07,260 --> 01:53:05,740
because they've never that I can tell

2516
01:53:10,080 --> 01:53:07,270
never spend more than a week in one

2517
01:53:11,970 --> 01:53:10,090
place whatever you think of Patterson

2518
01:53:14,310 --> 01:53:11,980
Gimlin you know their door they had been

2519
01:53:16,860 --> 01:53:14,320
out almost two weeks on horseback when

2520
01:53:18,210 --> 01:53:16,870
they shot the footage of Patrick you

2521
01:53:20,700 --> 01:53:18,220
know Finding Bigfoot folks there and

2522
01:53:23,930 --> 01:53:20,710
they're in a state park for one night

2523
01:53:26,520 --> 01:53:23,940
and well didn't find it now it's you

2524
01:53:27,990 --> 01:53:26,530
know it started raining so we turned in

2525
01:53:29,460 --> 01:53:28,000
for the night in next niller now we're

2526
01:53:32,400 --> 01:53:29,470
on to Georgia in the next place you know

2527
01:53:34,790 --> 01:53:32,410
so they're they're not there their goal

2528
01:53:38,850 --> 01:53:34,800
is not to find Bigfoot their goal is to

2529
01:53:42,210 --> 01:53:38,860
maintain XL soap get the next episode

2530
01:53:43,800 --> 01:53:42,220
and they can and get on to the next you

2531
01:53:46,950 --> 01:53:43,810
know there's a there's a very clear

2532
01:53:48,900 --> 01:53:46,960
formula for it and it's fine but you

2533
01:53:51,810 --> 01:53:48,910
know this is this were now five or six

2534
01:53:53,310 --> 01:53:51,820
years into this and you know some

2535
01:53:54,750 --> 01:53:53,320
episodes are better than others

2536
01:53:57,930 --> 01:53:54,760
they've gotten a little bit of thermal

2537
01:53:59,790 --> 01:53:57,940
footage the occasional vocalization but

2538
01:54:02,070 --> 01:53:59,800
that doesn't where does that really get

2539
01:54:04,440 --> 01:54:02,080
us you know where does that does that

2540
01:54:07,680 --> 01:54:04,450
move the needle on proving that they

2541
01:54:09,450 --> 01:54:07,690
exist to have one more episode where you

2542
01:54:10,780 --> 01:54:09,460
can just barely hear a faint will call

2543
01:54:12,850 --> 01:54:10,790
in the distance

2544
01:54:15,250 --> 01:54:12,860
and that you know that to me that that

2545
01:54:17,440 --> 01:54:15,260
lends ammunition to the skeptics they

2546
01:54:21,850 --> 01:54:17,450
say well they didn't find it again did

2547
01:54:23,890 --> 01:54:21,860
they yeah so I would prefer if I were

2548
01:54:25,870 --> 01:54:23,900
the producer of that show I would send

2549
01:54:27,240 --> 01:54:25,880
them into a national forest and leave

2550
01:54:29,980 --> 01:54:27,250
them there for about four months

2551
01:54:31,930 --> 01:54:29,990
few people I'd like to do that with you

2552
01:54:33,790 --> 01:54:31,940
know you're tempting me right now I can

2553
01:54:35,560 --> 01:54:33,800
think of a few people I've associated

2554
01:54:38,170 --> 01:54:35,570
with over the years and those

2555
01:54:41,590 --> 01:54:38,180
associations have not been as friendly

2556
01:54:43,570 --> 01:54:41,600
as I'd like and that's nobody sweat

2557
01:54:46,060 --> 01:54:43,580
nobody's pain it's not your fault or

2558
01:54:48,640 --> 01:54:46,070
anything things happen and I think I'd

2559
01:54:51,700 --> 01:54:48,650
like to maybe do that I'm not a violent

2560
01:54:56,850 --> 01:54:51,710
person remember that it's just a casual

2561
01:54:59,050 --> 01:54:56,860
wish or as someone once said make it so

2562
01:55:00,880 --> 01:54:59,060
there's a group that you're probably

2563
01:55:03,460 --> 01:55:00,890
aware of go to the North American wood

2564
01:55:07,030 --> 01:55:03,470
ape Conservancy they actually did a

2565
01:55:09,280 --> 01:55:07,040
two-year study in a valley in far

2566
01:55:12,400 --> 01:55:09,290
eastern Oklahoma near the Arkansas

2567
01:55:15,070 --> 01:55:12,410
border they did a just a study of this

2568
01:55:17,920 --> 01:55:15,080
one area was on private property and

2569
01:55:20,170 --> 01:55:17,930
they they refer to it as area X and the

2570
01:55:22,180 --> 01:55:20,180
same group has done extensive research

2571
01:55:24,820 --> 01:55:22,190
on sandy's - National Forest and in the

2572
01:55:26,710 --> 01:55:24,830
Big Thicket National Preserve a few

2573
01:55:29,440 --> 01:55:26,720
miles east of Sam Houston they've

2574
01:55:32,680 --> 01:55:29,450
labeled those areas area X area Y and

2575
01:55:35,470 --> 01:55:32,690
areas Z but an area X in Oklahoma they

2576
01:55:37,030 --> 01:55:35,480
they did I believe it was a I'm not only

2577
01:55:38,500 --> 01:55:37,040
have the stats in front of me but it was

2578
01:55:42,340 --> 01:55:38,510
something like that either a two or a

2579
01:55:46,510 --> 01:55:42,350
four year stake out of this this valley

2580
01:55:48,790 --> 01:55:46,520
and got some remarkable results it's a

2581
01:55:50,740 --> 01:55:48,800
thousands of man-hours of sitting around

2582
01:55:52,900 --> 01:55:50,750
watching these thermal screens at night

2583
01:55:56,080 --> 01:55:52,910
and they still didn't get they didn't

2584
01:55:59,140 --> 01:55:56,090
get any proof you know very a a kill

2585
01:56:02,170 --> 01:55:59,150
organization they will call it a pro

2586
01:56:05,800 --> 01:56:02,180
science organization but their objective

2587
01:56:08,290 --> 01:56:05,810
is to to harvest a specimen because that

2588
01:56:10,120 --> 01:56:08,300
is the only way science will ever will

2589
01:56:12,730 --> 01:56:10,130
ever acknowledge the existence of the

2590
01:56:14,860 --> 01:56:12,740
species and they took some shots they

2591
01:56:17,530 --> 01:56:14,870
took two shots out there and they found

2592
01:56:19,660 --> 01:56:17,540
a blood trail for where they had hit one

2593
01:56:23,279 --> 01:56:19,670
of these things but they couldn't

2594
01:56:25,620 --> 01:56:23,289
recover the body and so

2595
01:56:27,509 --> 01:56:25,630
anyway that's just to say that there are

2596
01:56:29,699 --> 01:56:27,519
there are investigators out there who

2597
01:56:32,339 --> 01:56:29,709
are in it for the long haul and are

2598
01:56:34,529 --> 01:56:32,349
putting in the time and they would there

2599
01:56:36,689 --> 01:56:34,539
were multiple people and they would they

2600
01:56:40,080 --> 01:56:36,699
would switch out they would they would

2601
01:56:42,449 --> 01:56:40,090
do this in shifts you know when a team

2602
01:56:45,779 --> 01:56:42,459
of four guys would go out there for two

2603
01:56:49,199 --> 01:56:45,789
weeks on their vacations spend their

2604
01:56:50,759 --> 01:56:49,209
vacations freezing in a pop-up tent with

2605
01:56:53,100 --> 01:56:50,769
black plastic around it looking through

2606
01:56:54,779 --> 01:56:53,110
Thermal scopes and then they would go

2607
01:56:56,069 --> 01:56:54,789
back to work and another four guys would

2608
01:56:58,770 --> 01:56:56,079
come out there and do two weeks and

2609
01:57:00,479 --> 01:56:58,780
though off and on for something like

2610
01:57:03,299 --> 01:57:00,489
four years they studied this area and

2611
01:57:06,600 --> 01:57:03,309
they produce a 200 page report and they

2612
01:57:08,459 --> 01:57:06,610
had something like 48 sightings in that

2613
01:57:10,529 --> 01:57:08,469
time but when you divide that number

2614
01:57:11,399 --> 01:57:10,539
into the amount of man-hours that they

2615
01:57:14,339 --> 01:57:11,409
were out there looking

2616
01:57:18,540 --> 01:57:14,349
it's an incredible is something like a 1

2617
01:57:20,429 --> 01:57:18,550
second sighting for every 35 hours of

2618
01:57:22,080 --> 01:57:20,439
man-hours of looking or something like

2619
01:57:25,799 --> 01:57:22,090
that I got this statistic in the book

2620
01:57:27,659 --> 01:57:25,809
let's do the break Wow okay a lot of

2621
01:57:36,730 --> 01:57:27,669
time to spend there with gene and Chris

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intelligence officer is haunted by

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intense dreams about a beautiful woman

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pleading for his help after a terrible

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battle in outer space but the dreams

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2731
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2732
02:02:23,740 --> 02:02:20,060
were unlearned or we're different than

2733
02:02:26,890 --> 02:02:23,750
what you expected well you know I I have

2734
02:02:29,680 --> 02:02:26,900
a different view on that forest I have

2735
02:02:31,600 --> 02:02:29,690
not been back I will go back I want to

2736
02:02:34,420 --> 02:02:31,610
go back but I just haven't had this this

2737
02:02:37,060 --> 02:02:34,430
was only this time last year that I was

2738
02:02:39,960 --> 02:02:37,070
out there the whole question of whether

2739
02:02:42,490 --> 02:02:39,970
these creatures are dangerous or not is

2740
02:02:45,010 --> 02:02:42,500
way more prominent in my mind than it

2741
02:02:46,750 --> 02:02:45,020
used to be at one time after the point

2742
02:02:50,440 --> 02:02:46,760
at which I pretty much accepted that

2743
02:02:54,970 --> 02:02:50,450
they existed I like most people consider

2744
02:02:59,380 --> 02:02:54,980
them his reclusive gentle giants who

2745
02:03:00,910 --> 02:02:59,390
were always retreating from our view you

2746
02:03:03,490 --> 02:03:00,920
know you were lucky if he ever got a

2747
02:03:05,110 --> 02:03:03,500
glimpse of one after hearing some

2748
02:03:07,480 --> 02:03:05,120
stories hearing a lot of stories over

2749
02:03:08,560 --> 02:03:07,490
the last couple of years it's not at all

2750
02:03:12,160 --> 02:03:08,570
clear to me anymore

2751
02:03:14,770 --> 02:03:12,170
that that's their nature and it's

2752
02:03:17,920 --> 02:03:14,780
entirely possible but they're extremely

2753
02:03:21,370 --> 02:03:17,930
violent and extremely dangerous and that

2754
02:03:24,490 --> 02:03:21,380
is something that I can't unlearn and so

2755
02:03:27,280 --> 02:03:24,500
I don't think I can ever go out there

2756
02:03:29,860 --> 02:03:27,290
again with the same kind of outlook that

2757
02:03:32,580 --> 02:03:29,870
I had in the early trips that I took

2758
02:03:35,230 --> 02:03:32,590
before I had done quite so much research

2759
02:03:37,480 --> 02:03:35,240
about them there was an innocence

2760
02:03:41,380 --> 02:03:37,490
you know I there's a chapter of the book

2761
02:03:43,000 --> 02:03:41,390
called East of Eden and I think you know

2762
02:03:45,550 --> 02:03:43,010
there is a sort of innocence about my

2763
02:03:46,930 --> 02:03:45,560
early travels out there and a lot most

2764
02:03:48,820 --> 02:03:46,940
people's travels out there that they

2765
02:03:52,360 --> 02:03:48,830
don't consider the possibilities that

2766
02:03:54,040 --> 02:03:52,370
these things if they're out there and if

2767
02:03:57,130 --> 02:03:54,050
you're out there and they're out there

2768
02:03:57,990 --> 02:03:57,140
they have a hundred percent control of

2769
02:04:00,010 --> 02:03:58,000
the situation

2770
02:04:00,410 --> 02:04:00,020
unless you're heavily armed you know

2771
02:04:02,140 --> 02:04:00,420
with

2772
02:04:04,729 --> 02:04:02,150
submachine gun or something like that

2773
02:04:08,060 --> 02:04:04,739
they have all the power in that

2774
02:04:10,250 --> 02:04:08,070
relationship I mean as a society we have

2775
02:04:12,260 --> 02:04:10,260
the power as a species we have the power

2776
02:04:15,439 --> 02:04:12,270
clearly - we've dominated the earth

2777
02:04:18,200 --> 02:04:15,449
we've been to the moon etc but on a

2778
02:04:19,939 --> 02:04:18,210
one-to-one basis in isolation and the

2779
02:04:22,310 --> 02:04:19,949
wilderness they have a hundred percent

2780
02:04:25,520 --> 02:04:22,320
of the power that's frightening you know

2781
02:04:26,689 --> 02:04:25,530
that's that's kind of a gut check in the

2782
02:04:28,610 --> 02:04:26,699
middle of the night when you hear

2783
02:04:32,900 --> 02:04:28,620
something moving around your campsite

2784
02:04:35,510 --> 02:04:32,910
that's fear at a primal level that that

2785
02:04:38,530 --> 02:04:35,520
I had never experienced before that

2786
02:04:42,560 --> 02:04:38,540
colors the way you think about nature

2787
02:04:45,439 --> 02:04:42,570
camping the outdoors all the things that

2788
02:04:48,470 --> 02:04:45,449
most people just associate with you know

2789
02:04:52,580 --> 02:04:48,480
100% positivity now there's a little

2790
02:04:54,919 --> 02:04:52,590
asterisk on all that for me and I'm

2791
02:04:58,100 --> 02:04:54,929
heads up you know I was I don't go out

2792
02:05:02,000 --> 02:04:58,110
there armed like like a lot of guys do

2793
02:05:04,610 --> 02:05:02,010
I'm not anti-gun in that way but I just

2794
02:05:06,050 --> 02:05:04,620
don't I just don't go out there with

2795
02:05:08,780 --> 02:05:06,060
that I didn't take it I didn't take a

2796
02:05:10,189 --> 02:05:08,790
gun on this trip there were times I wish

2797
02:05:11,780 --> 02:05:10,199
I had there were times when I was out

2798
02:05:15,709 --> 02:05:11,790
there when I was like I should have

2799
02:05:17,479 --> 02:05:15,719
brought a gun period but I didn't and I

2800
02:05:19,100 --> 02:05:17,489
made it through and I think it I think

2801
02:05:20,810 --> 02:05:19,110
Chris it goes to your point about

2802
02:05:23,540 --> 02:05:20,820
intention that was kind of in the back

2803
02:05:25,760 --> 02:05:23,550
of my head it's like this thought of we

2804
02:05:28,160 --> 02:05:25,770
sort of attract what we prepare for I

2805
02:05:30,830 --> 02:05:28,170
don't know if this is just you know New

2806
02:05:34,160 --> 02:05:30,840
Age nonsense or this was law of

2807
02:05:36,140 --> 02:05:34,170
attraction is a real thing but I baited

2808
02:05:38,000 --> 02:05:36,150
it actually shopped for guns and that

2809
02:05:40,430 --> 02:05:38,010
debated on this question of whether to

2810
02:05:43,189 --> 02:05:40,440
carry or not out there and I kind of

2811
02:05:45,770 --> 02:05:43,199
came down on the side of one a gun is

2812
02:05:48,110 --> 02:05:45,780
heavy and I was trying to minimize my

2813
02:05:50,959 --> 02:05:48,120
way to remember I'm walking a hundred

2814
02:05:54,080 --> 02:05:50,969
miles here you know with all my camping

2815
02:05:56,270 --> 02:05:54,090
stuff on my back so I was very cognizant

2816
02:05:58,700 --> 02:05:56,280
of the weight of everything and B I

2817
02:06:01,669 --> 02:05:58,710
thought there was a good chance that I'd

2818
02:06:07,120 --> 02:06:01,679
more of a chance that I wind up shooting

2819
02:06:09,229 --> 02:06:07,130
myself accidentally then something that

2820
02:06:11,300 --> 02:06:09,239
determined it was going to attack me

2821
02:06:14,069 --> 02:06:11,310
well yeah or just you're gonna piss it

2822
02:06:16,020 --> 02:06:14,079
off yeah right

2823
02:06:18,390 --> 02:06:16,030
the common the common knowledge is that

2824
02:06:19,890 --> 02:06:18,400
you need about a 50 caliber piece of

2825
02:06:22,379 --> 02:06:19,900
ammunition to slow one of these things

2826
02:06:23,879 --> 02:06:22,389
down or at least get like you say it's

2827
02:06:27,149 --> 02:06:23,889
just kind of feels feels more like a

2828
02:06:30,270 --> 02:06:27,159
pellet or air rifle to them yeah well

2829
02:06:33,410 --> 02:06:30,280
like a bear I mean anything smaller than

2830
02:06:37,080 --> 02:06:33,420
you know 30.6 or a big-game rifle

2831
02:06:40,280 --> 02:06:37,090
hitting it in a vulnerable spot will

2832
02:06:42,359 --> 02:06:40,290
just take it off basically and your dad

2833
02:06:45,240 --> 02:06:42,369
and I would think the same would

2834
02:06:47,850 --> 02:06:45,250
probably hold true with a Bigfoot I

2835
02:06:50,910 --> 02:06:47,860
would seriously question anybody that

2836
02:06:54,299 --> 02:06:50,920
would have the guts to fire a gun at an

2837
02:06:57,000 --> 02:06:54,309
intelligent humanoid that's between 7

2838
02:06:58,919 --> 02:06:57,010
and 10 feet tall right I just I wouldn't

2839
02:07:01,229 --> 02:06:58,929
advise it in the guy's a tape canyon I

2840
02:07:03,600 --> 02:07:01,239
mean the famous ape Canyon story is a

2841
02:07:06,450 --> 02:07:03,610
classic example of what happens when you

2842
02:07:09,060 --> 02:07:06,460
do wound a Bigfoot they all come back

2843
02:07:11,280 --> 02:07:09,070
and they start trying to tear your log

2844
02:07:13,080 --> 02:07:11,290
cabin down and and and you know

2845
02:07:15,450 --> 02:07:13,090
inundated with boulders and that sort of

2846
02:07:18,319 --> 02:07:15,460
thing and you don't want to tick them

2847
02:07:21,330 --> 02:07:18,329
off that would be my number one worry

2848
02:07:22,560 --> 02:07:21,340
would be ticking one off but that comes

2849
02:07:25,439 --> 02:07:22,570
from personal experience because I

2850
02:07:27,629 --> 02:07:25,449
ticked one off it was a fine thing that

2851
02:07:30,030 --> 02:07:27,639
ever happened to me in my life I'd like

2852
02:07:31,859 --> 02:07:30,040
to hear about that well you know I've

2853
02:07:34,859 --> 02:07:31,869
told the story many times here at the

2854
02:07:36,390 --> 02:07:34,869
pair cast but you know we were found a

2855
02:07:38,910 --> 02:07:36,400
logging road that went up to the base of

2856
02:07:41,100 --> 02:07:38,920
Mount Shasta on the western side and you

2857
02:07:45,030 --> 02:07:41,110
know like your your your impenetrable

2858
02:07:46,979 --> 02:07:45,040
hedges in Texas we encountered you know

2859
02:07:50,250 --> 02:07:46,989
some mountain huckleberry or some sort

2860
02:07:53,879 --> 02:07:50,260
of madrone or something or manzanita

2861
02:07:55,490 --> 02:07:53,889
type plant that was impenetrable we

2862
02:07:57,990 --> 02:07:55,500
smelled something really bad I

2863
02:08:00,870 --> 02:07:58,000
admonished my buddy you know they better

2864
02:08:05,010 --> 02:08:00,880
check his drawers and then whatever it

2865
02:08:08,280 --> 02:08:05,020
was it kind of gave a a questioning kind

2866
02:08:10,049 --> 02:08:08,290
of vocalization and then it screamed at

2867
02:08:13,290 --> 02:08:10,059
us it started coming through the

2868
02:08:14,700 --> 02:08:13,300
impenetrable hedge that you know you

2869
02:08:16,020 --> 02:08:14,710
couldn't even get your arm into it I

2870
02:08:17,490 --> 02:08:16,030
doubt even with it with a really good

2871
02:08:20,819 --> 02:08:17,500
chainsaw that I would have been able to

2872
02:08:23,160 --> 02:08:20,829
I mean we're in 11,000 plus feet in

2873
02:08:24,550 --> 02:08:23,170
elevation this is extremely old and

2874
02:08:28,720 --> 02:08:24,560
tough mm-hmm

2875
02:08:29,980 --> 02:08:28,730
plant growth and this thing I think

2876
02:08:32,290 --> 02:08:29,990
that's what they like

2877
02:08:33,790 --> 02:08:32,300
you know this vision we have of them and

2878
02:08:36,220 --> 02:08:33,800
this old-growth forest were the huge

2879
02:08:38,910 --> 02:08:36,230
redwoods or whatever that's that's fine

2880
02:08:42,670 --> 02:08:38,920
but when what you're describing is is

2881
02:08:45,880 --> 02:08:42,680
exactly the kind of thing when I wear I

2882
02:08:47,530 --> 02:08:45,890
it was in mile 67 at this hike that I

2883
02:08:49,660 --> 02:08:47,540
took the photo that's on the cover of

2884
02:08:53,050 --> 02:08:49,670
this book that's the 18 inch print I

2885
02:08:54,730 --> 02:08:53,060
call it the Magnolia alpha male because

2886
02:08:57,070 --> 02:08:54,740
it was in the Magnolia section of the

2887
02:08:59,830 --> 02:08:57,080
trail gonna eat their side of the trail

2888
02:09:02,950 --> 02:08:59,840
right up to the trail was this thick

2889
02:09:05,620 --> 02:09:02,960
monoculture of yo pine it was a weird

2890
02:09:07,060 --> 02:09:05,630
area I looked behind that track for

2891
02:09:08,530 --> 02:09:07,070
another one I looked in front of it for

2892
02:09:10,510 --> 02:09:08,540
another one and it didn't leave any

2893
02:09:13,360 --> 02:09:10,520
other tracks but this one I'll never

2894
02:09:15,130 --> 02:09:13,370
forget how weird of an area it was

2895
02:09:16,960 --> 02:09:15,140
because it was so thick I don't I

2896
02:09:21,070 --> 02:09:16,970
couldn't have gotten myself through that

2897
02:09:23,110 --> 02:09:21,080
to save my life when there's no way

2898
02:09:25,060 --> 02:09:23,120
there's no way that I could have gotten

2899
02:09:27,940 --> 02:09:25,070
in I mean there were parts of a dinner 5

2900
02:09:30,070 --> 02:09:27,950
6 feet tall but it went up to 7 8 feet

2901
02:09:32,950 --> 02:09:30,080
tall yeah and there's just no way that

2902
02:09:35,230 --> 02:09:32,960
you could have even with a pair of the

2903
02:09:37,600 --> 02:09:35,240
sharpest machete a pair of you know real

2904
02:09:38,680 --> 02:09:37,610
heavy-duty loppers mm-hmm there's no way

2905
02:09:41,260 --> 02:09:38,690
that you could have gotten through this

2906
02:09:42,970 --> 02:09:41,270
and what terrified my buddy and I was

2907
02:09:46,090 --> 02:09:42,980
this thing was going through that heads

2908
02:09:47,590 --> 02:09:46,100
right at us yeah and I don't know what

2909
02:09:50,920 --> 02:09:47,600
happened the next 20 minutes half hour

2910
02:09:52,510 --> 02:09:50,930
ultrasonics something blanked me out we

2911
02:09:54,820 --> 02:09:52,520
made it the quarter mile back to the van

2912
02:09:57,130 --> 02:09:54,830
and we were halfway down the logging

2913
02:10:00,100 --> 02:09:57,140
road miles down the road before I have

2914
02:10:03,340 --> 02:10:00,110
my my first memory in recollection of

2915
02:10:05,650 --> 02:10:03,350
what happened I no memory of getting

2916
02:10:07,420 --> 02:10:05,660
down the quarter mile to the van of

2917
02:10:09,280 --> 02:10:07,430
getting in the van and driving miles

2918
02:10:11,830 --> 02:10:09,290
down the logging road I have absolutely

2919
02:10:13,570 --> 02:10:11,840
no memory whatsoever and either either

2920
02:10:17,050 --> 02:10:13,580
does threats my traveling companion

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it's almost like missing time huh Chris

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well I've had people back engineer the

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experience and say that there was some

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sort of ultrasonics going on that they

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have the ability to rumble you with some

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sort of extremely low frequencies that

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the trigger your fear center yeah and

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your fight-or-flight I mean forget fight

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I mean it was even if I had been a bird

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it was definitely flight and now that I

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think about it I would have responded

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differently it's when it gave out the

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the loud vocalization that echoed off

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the foothills a mile away that's I mean

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that that's what really scared me and it

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sounded I've described it many times as

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sounding like a bull elephant a lion

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roaring and a steam an angry steam

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engine yeah it's the only way that I can

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describe it it was it was so powerful

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I've been in rock-and-roll bands on and

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off for thirty years and I've had my ear

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burst by Ritchie Blackmore hitting the

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high e note on a maiden on the made in

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Japan to her where I lost you know fifty

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percent of my hearing I have heard loud

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sounds I have never heard something that

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rattled my my eardrums like this it

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reverberate it through my bones it was

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so loud and that's it obviously it had

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quite an impression because I like I

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said I don't I don't even know how long

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I don't remember you know at least

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twenty minutes minimum of twenty minutes

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probably longer that I blanked out and

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it was on autopilot and that's scary

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I've never ever been even close to being

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in that lack of a frame of mind or

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whatever that makes them real like no

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you said earlier you would do something

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there you would respond differently

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today

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I don't know that you would I mean

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that's a point I try to make earlier I

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don't we're not in control of our

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response

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when we have an encounter with one of

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these things I just firmly believe no

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when I smelled it I would have instantly

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gone backwards yeah I mean I think we're

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at that point we're in an animal state

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of fear and you know we don't know the

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infrasound this is a very real

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phenomenon that you know too many people

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report this for it's not not to be real

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but I just don't believe even knowing

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all that I know and you know having the

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curiosity that I have about this

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phenomenon I know I also know that I

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mean I would not be in control of my

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reaction where I to where I have an

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encounter we're not in control at that

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point it's too primal it's too it's too

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frightening yeah to to gut-level well

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you know and you have to understand no

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but since then this was in the early

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spring of 79 since then I've been to

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some of the most haunted sites in

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America I've investigated over you know

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somewhere around 200 cattle mutilations

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I've had UFO encounters daylight within

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150 yards of me I've been in some really

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interesting freaky places at the right

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time with that kind of experience now

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and and and seasoning if you will my I

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do think that I would I would respond in

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a different way and be able to you know

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the infrasound stuff you know I'm not

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sure about that the cavalier attitude

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that we had I think that elicited the

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kind of a very aggressive behavior if I

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hadn't made the comment whoa you better

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check your drawers dude you know that

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cavalier attitude I think is for some

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reason I don't know it just seems to me

3119
02:18:42,860 --> 02:18:40,859
that that that attitude have picked up

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on and it was like how dare you come up

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here and disturb me you know sit down be

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humble well ya know you know let me

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chase you away as quickly as you can go

3124
02:18:57,139 --> 02:18:55,380
yeah no no that's different I I would

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have been much more alert much more

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respectful I would have gone into

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stealth mode I

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have made jokes and that sort of thing

3129
02:19:10,379 --> 02:19:07,899
and who's to say I mean until it happens

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again I can't say really but but I'm at

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a much different person now than I was

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40 years ago me too yeah as our wheel so

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a couple other things I want to talk to

3134
02:19:30,479 --> 02:19:27,069
you about what is it about Bigfoot and

3135
02:19:32,819 --> 02:19:30,489
people making out and having sex you

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02:19:34,769 --> 02:19:32,829
know it's it's a it's an element of

3137
02:19:36,569 --> 02:19:34,779
Bigfoot encounters that you don't hear

3138
02:19:38,040 --> 02:19:36,579
much about

3139
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I mean it's mentioned in the literature

3140
02:19:43,830 --> 02:19:41,229
but there seems to be a fascination in a

3141
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preoccupation even in some sense of the

3142
02:19:49,290 --> 02:19:47,170
word of Bigfoot and lovers lanes people

3143
02:19:54,389 --> 02:19:49,300
getting it on in their houses peeping

3144
02:19:56,849 --> 02:19:54,399
tom type activity is Bigfoot kinky or or

3145
02:20:01,319 --> 02:19:56,859
people just miss you know kind of

3146
02:20:03,300 --> 02:20:01,329
misinterpreting its interest well this

3147
02:20:05,849 --> 02:20:03,310
is not a subject I've ever given any

3148
02:20:11,250 --> 02:20:05,859
thought to that I'll venture a theory

3149
02:20:13,649 --> 02:20:11,260
you know I I think that there's a lot of

3150
02:20:18,269 --> 02:20:13,659
evidence to suggest that that they are

3151
02:20:22,710 --> 02:20:18,279
very close to humans if not hybrids of

3152
02:20:27,389 --> 02:20:22,720
some sort and if we have a fascination

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02:20:29,849 --> 02:20:27,399
about a certain subject then it's their

3154
02:20:35,340 --> 02:20:29,859
relatives of ours and they're likely to

3155
02:20:40,769 --> 02:20:35,350
have a similar fascination so it's not a

3156
02:20:43,380 --> 02:20:40,779
do as we say not as we do the reason why

3157
02:20:46,920 --> 02:20:43,390
I bring it up is because of some as I

3158
02:20:50,519 --> 02:20:46,930
mentioned the DuPont monster events Momo

3159
02:20:54,050 --> 02:20:50,529
near near Ellsbury Missouri was the

3160
02:20:59,510 --> 02:20:54,060
initial encounters with Momo in I think

3161
02:21:02,880 --> 02:20:59,520
7778 where on lovers lanes and it was

3162
02:21:05,099 --> 02:21:02,890
spying on kids making out in cars having

3163
02:21:07,500 --> 02:21:05,109
sex in the back seats of automobiles and

3164
02:21:13,229 --> 02:21:07,510
then a series of events that happened

3165
02:21:14,051 --> 02:21:13,239
here in Arizona in 2005 where there was

3166
02:21:17,320 --> 02:21:14,061
a half a does

3167
02:21:21,600 --> 02:21:17,330
sightings of a Bigfoot that was being

3168
02:21:24,490 --> 02:21:21,610
called in to tribal authorities at the

3169
02:21:27,850 --> 02:21:24,500
the White Mountain Apache reservation up

3170
02:21:29,591 --> 02:21:27,860
there as a peeping tom and people didn't

3171
02:21:31,140 --> 02:21:29,601
know who it was that was peeping in the

3172
02:21:34,660 --> 02:21:31,150
window they didn't know it was Bigfoot

3173
02:21:36,910 --> 02:21:34,670
until the cops came and then check you

3174
02:21:41,650 --> 02:21:36,920
know found the footprints in that and in

3175
02:21:44,381 --> 02:21:41,660
other no signs and it wasn't until the

3176
02:21:47,381 --> 02:21:44,391
last report actually of I think was

3177
02:21:49,150 --> 02:21:47,391
seven six or seven reports that they

3178
02:21:52,211 --> 02:21:49,160
officers when they got to nine nine one

3179
02:21:54,610 --> 02:21:52,221
one call they were just driving by the

3180
02:21:56,410 --> 02:21:54,620
driveway of the person making the call

3181
02:21:58,360 --> 02:21:56,420
you know coincidentally and and so they

3182
02:22:00,160 --> 02:21:58,370
you know they weren't up the driveway

3183
02:22:01,570 --> 02:22:00,170
and their headlights caught the Bigfoot

3184
02:22:04,240 --> 02:22:01,580
looking in the bedroom window

3185
02:22:07,330 --> 02:22:04,250
yeah and they went on you know the the

3186
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local network affiliate in in Phoenix

3187
02:22:12,631 --> 02:22:10,130
and their uniforms and and talked about

3188
02:22:15,100 --> 02:22:12,641
the the you know the flurry of sightings

3189
02:22:17,860 --> 02:22:15,110
showed the reports they were in their

3190
02:22:20,350 --> 02:22:17,870
uniforms they were you know for Native

3191
02:22:22,900 --> 02:22:20,360
Americans too especially law enforcement

3192
02:22:25,051 --> 02:22:22,910
to come forward and admit that they had

3193
02:22:27,730 --> 02:22:25,061
been investigating of a you know as a

3194
02:22:29,980 --> 02:22:27,740
series of sightings of a peeping tom

3195
02:22:31,631 --> 02:22:29,990
Bigfoot that it always struck me and

3196
02:22:35,310 --> 02:22:31,641
then you know I'm talking with David

3197
02:22:38,381 --> 02:22:35,320
Childress you know my former publisher

3198
02:22:42,640 --> 02:22:38,391
and he talks about the DuPont monster

3199
02:22:45,091 --> 02:22:42,650
that is attracted by by the you know the

3200
02:22:48,730 --> 02:22:45,101
the wild flailings and the backseats of

3201
02:22:52,860 --> 02:22:48,740
you know of of cars on lovers lanes and

3202
02:22:55,060 --> 02:22:52,870
and he he mentioned in his book was it

3203
02:22:58,211 --> 02:22:55,070
sasquatch giants and hairy monsters or

3204
02:23:02,711 --> 02:22:58,221
whatever hairy humanoids how there seems

3205
02:23:08,100 --> 02:23:02,721
to be an attraction to pheromonal or

3206
02:23:10,540 --> 02:23:08,110
hormonal activity generated by hot

3207
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passionate activities in the back of

3208
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cars and and in bedrooms and I just

3209
02:23:19,240 --> 02:23:16,721
bring it up because you know I find it I

3210
02:23:22,120 --> 02:23:19,250
find it very compelling in there there

3211
02:23:23,610 --> 02:23:22,130
seems to have there's a ring to that and

3212
02:23:24,820 --> 02:23:23,620
I'm not sure what it is

3213
02:23:31,420 --> 02:23:24,830
there's

3214
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that on the one hand they seem hardwired

3215
02:23:40,450 --> 02:23:36,200
to avoid us and on the other hand they

3216
02:23:43,990 --> 02:23:40,460
have the curiosity that all primates

3217
02:23:48,670 --> 02:23:44,000
have you know let alone humans they have

3218
02:23:51,580 --> 02:23:48,680
this curiosity about us and just like we

3219
02:23:53,500 --> 02:23:51,590
have a curiosity about them and that's

3220
02:23:55,300 --> 02:23:53,510
what Lee and I think that yeah there's a

3221
02:23:59,020 --> 02:23:55,310
lot of there's a lot of looking in

3222
02:24:02,380 --> 02:23:59,030
Windows be it you know looking at sex

3223
02:24:04,270 --> 02:24:02,390
acts or not right there's a lot of

3224
02:24:06,760 --> 02:24:04,280
peeping tom type activity that's that's

3225
02:24:08,440 --> 02:24:06,770
fairly common actually you know III was

3226
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thought you know thinking about this

3227
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which I don't really give it too much

3228
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thought

3229
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pick out a little bit more to come final

3230
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3339
02:29:05,690 --> 02:29:03,060
so Chris was gonna start something and

3340
02:29:07,370 --> 02:29:05,700
we want to continue with it you know I

3341
02:29:09,889 --> 02:29:07,380
don't want to sound flippant or anything

3342
02:29:12,170 --> 02:29:09,899
but maybe be a male Bigfoot just don't

3343
02:29:15,080 --> 02:29:12,180
get enough maybe they're cut off and

3344
02:29:17,440 --> 02:29:15,090
they just they're looking for anything

3345
02:29:20,480 --> 02:29:17,450
that they can get it any particular time

3346
02:29:22,820 --> 02:29:20,490
what about you know females being

3347
02:29:24,250 --> 02:29:22,830
accosted by Bigfoot this is a subject

3348
02:29:28,130 --> 02:29:24,260
that you don't hear about very much

3349
02:29:30,290 --> 02:29:28,140
there are reports of this kind they're

3350
02:29:33,700 --> 02:29:30,300
pretty rare I remember I think a

3351
02:29:37,910 --> 02:29:33,710
Sammamish or a Salish a Native American

3352
02:29:40,010 --> 02:29:37,920
story of the fair maiden of the chief or

3353
02:29:43,429 --> 02:29:40,020
of a you know one of the Chiefs in the

3354
02:29:46,610 --> 02:29:43,439
tribe are being given you know every so

3355
02:29:48,740 --> 02:29:46,620
many years they give they offer a maiden

3356
02:29:50,510 --> 02:29:48,750
to the the Bigfoot's who take them away

3357
02:29:53,780 --> 02:29:50,520
and they're never seen again kind of

3358
02:29:55,610 --> 02:29:53,790
where the the King Kong narrative may

3359
02:29:57,710 --> 02:29:55,620
come from I've always felt that there

3360
02:29:59,540 --> 02:29:57,720
was a connection there but there are

3361
02:30:03,019 --> 02:29:59,550
some Native American stories that do

3362
02:30:04,670 --> 02:30:03,029
talk about offering women to Bigfoot for

3363
02:30:07,340 --> 02:30:04,680
some sort of genetic purpose one would

3364
02:30:09,830 --> 02:30:07,350
assume there are areas of Bigfoot

3365
02:30:12,710 --> 02:30:09,840
research that I don't think enough

3366
02:30:16,040 --> 02:30:12,720
thought has been well at least not

3367
02:30:19,099 --> 02:30:16,050
enough work has been done or some sort

3368
02:30:22,340 --> 02:30:19,109
of research and pondering the subject

3369
02:30:24,650 --> 02:30:22,350
and I think part of that is as you

3370
02:30:28,550 --> 02:30:24,660
brought up the whole gene pool aspect to

3371
02:30:31,849 --> 02:30:28,560
to this we're dealing with a breeding

3372
02:30:35,240 --> 02:30:31,859
population in that population is pretty

3373
02:30:37,219 --> 02:30:35,250
small so anything with even the

3374
02:30:39,469 --> 02:30:37,229
slightest bit of intelligence may have a

3375
02:30:43,190 --> 02:30:39,479
sense that it needs to expand that

3376
02:30:44,719 --> 02:30:43,200
genetic pool somehow all right they're

3377
02:30:47,150 --> 02:30:44,729
not going to be taking chips to to visit

3378
02:30:50,780 --> 02:30:47,160
the wild man in Siberia the Yeti in the

3379
02:30:53,570 --> 02:30:50,790
Avram Valley of Nepal so they got to

3380
02:30:57,380 --> 02:30:53,580
kind of make do with what they got I'm

3381
02:31:00,440 --> 02:30:57,390
aware of two stories of sexual contact

3382
02:31:03,380 --> 02:31:00,450
with horses you talk about you know them

3383
02:31:05,390 --> 02:31:03,390
kind of just being Randy sailors there's

3384
02:31:09,051 --> 02:31:05,400
a one or two and I said

3385
02:31:10,490 --> 02:31:09,061
x2 in Nepal I think words about humans

3386
02:31:13,280 --> 02:31:10,500
are not too good for that either

3387
02:31:16,160 --> 02:31:13,290
this is another similary kind of

3388
02:31:18,680 --> 02:31:16,170
uncomfortable point of comparison and

3389
02:31:21,831 --> 02:31:18,690
similarity with humans it's a concern of

3390
02:31:23,980 --> 02:31:21,841
a limited breeding population to make

3391
02:31:26,631 --> 02:31:23,990
sure that the gene pool remains robust

3392
02:31:28,011 --> 02:31:26,641
this is not something that many people

3393
02:31:30,081 --> 02:31:28,021
are willing to even talk about or

3394
02:31:32,600 --> 02:31:30,091
address in the in the Bigfoot research

3395
02:31:34,551 --> 02:31:32,610
community that I'm aware of you know I'm

3396
02:31:36,230 --> 02:31:34,561
a peripheral guy I don't really you know

3397
02:31:39,110 --> 02:31:36,240
I'm not really plugged into all the all

3398
02:31:40,400 --> 02:31:39,120
the the ins and outs in conversations

3399
02:31:42,261 --> 02:31:40,410
that are taking place around this

3400
02:31:44,060 --> 02:31:42,271
subject but I have enough of a knowledge

3401
02:31:46,160 --> 02:31:44,070
to know that this is not mentioned very

3402
02:31:47,930 --> 02:31:46,170
much at all and that is if there's a

3403
02:31:52,461 --> 02:31:47,940
limited population of just several

3404
02:31:54,890 --> 02:31:52,471
thousand let's say Bigfoot maybe I don't

3405
02:31:56,631 --> 02:31:54,900
know less than 10,000 in North America I

3406
02:31:59,990 --> 02:31:56,641
mean you know how do you put a number on

3407
02:32:01,490 --> 02:32:00,000
that yes sorry yeah but but still we're

3408
02:32:02,511 --> 02:32:01,500
talking in the thousands here we're not

3409
02:32:04,970 --> 02:32:02,521
talking millions

3410
02:32:08,570 --> 02:32:04,980
Buffalo what they were down below just

3411
02:32:11,810 --> 02:32:08,580
barely below 1,000 I think 960 something

3412
02:32:14,331 --> 02:32:11,820
buffalo were left before they had to

3413
02:32:17,360 --> 02:32:14,341
save the species basically because they

3414
02:32:19,490 --> 02:32:17,370
were almost extinct you know this to me

3415
02:32:21,980 --> 02:32:19,500
would be a real concern and of course

3416
02:32:24,320 --> 02:32:21,990
then the work of David Pilates comes to

3417
02:32:25,970 --> 02:32:24,330
mind of all these women that end up

3418
02:32:29,421 --> 02:32:25,980
missing the national forests and in

3419
02:32:34,430 --> 02:32:29,431
national parks you know one has to

3420
02:32:36,711 --> 02:32:34,440
wonder where that robust genetic influx

3421
02:32:39,110 --> 02:32:36,721
into the gene pool is coming from and

3422
02:32:42,320 --> 02:32:39,120
this is not something that that at least

3423
02:32:45,230 --> 02:32:42,330
I am familiar with being bantered about

3424
02:32:47,480 --> 02:32:45,240
by the mainstream Bigfoot community if

3425
02:32:53,720 --> 02:32:47,490
you can call the mainstream that's one

3426
02:32:54,950 --> 02:32:53,730
of my favorites I know what you mean

3427
02:32:58,430 --> 02:32:54,960
you know what are we dealing with you

3428
02:33:01,100 --> 02:32:58,440
boy I did listen to your interview with

3429
02:33:03,560 --> 02:33:01,110
Jeff Meldrum in the discussion that

3430
02:33:04,700 --> 02:33:03,570
y'all had about the Ketchum study it was

3431
02:33:06,740 --> 02:33:04,710
just something that I mentioned in the

3432
02:33:09,291 --> 02:33:06,750
book you know I don't know I don't have

3433
02:33:12,200 --> 02:33:09,301
I don't have a advanced degree in

3434
02:33:15,560 --> 02:33:12,210
genetics and I can't really look into

3435
02:33:17,120 --> 02:33:15,570
the the points at which that study was

3436
02:33:19,219 --> 02:33:17,130
criticized

3437
02:33:21,080 --> 02:33:19,229
kind of a black box to me I don't I

3438
02:33:23,540 --> 02:33:21,090
don't pretend to have the scientific

3439
02:33:25,510 --> 02:33:23,550
background people evaluate that in any

3440
02:33:29,840 --> 02:33:25,520
kind of objective way but I do think

3441
02:33:33,860 --> 02:33:29,850
that just on the surface it's incredible

3442
02:33:37,160 --> 02:33:33,870
the hybridization theory is credible you

3443
02:33:40,490 --> 02:33:37,170
know they have pendulous breasts eg the

3444
02:33:44,300 --> 02:33:40,500
patterson-gimlin film they have very

3445
02:33:46,460 --> 02:33:44,310
humanoid feet with a big toe that has

3446
02:33:48,230 --> 02:33:46,470
migrated completely in line with the

3447
02:33:50,389 --> 02:33:48,240
others as opposed to the opposable big

3448
02:33:53,210 --> 02:33:50,399
toe of the great apes they have a

3449
02:33:56,420 --> 02:33:53,220
downward facing nose unlike the great

3450
02:33:59,420 --> 02:33:56,430
apes their hands are very humanoid their

3451
02:34:01,070 --> 02:33:59,430
faces are very humanoid they walk

3452
02:34:04,130 --> 02:34:01,080
upright so there's a lot of just

3453
02:34:06,530 --> 02:34:04,140
morphological evidence that yes this is

3454
02:34:10,219 --> 02:34:06,540
something that if it's not half human

3455
02:34:10,580 --> 02:34:10,229
it's very close to to human on the Tree

3456
02:34:15,260 --> 02:34:10,590
of Life

3457
02:34:15,740 --> 02:34:15,270
why and so just on its face no pun

3458
02:34:18,550 --> 02:34:15,750
intended

3459
02:34:21,740 --> 02:34:18,560
I've had the theory of the hybrid theory

3460
02:34:24,650 --> 02:34:21,750
has some has some credibility for me in

3461
02:34:27,260 --> 02:34:24,660
the face of no no no other kind of

3462
02:34:28,969 --> 02:34:27,270
genetic testing that's been done you

3463
02:34:31,639 --> 02:34:28,979
know I I kind of give her the benefit of

3464
02:34:34,760 --> 02:34:31,649
the doubt as I say in the book I think

3465
02:34:36,830 --> 02:34:34,770
she's made some unforced errors in the

3466
02:34:38,780 --> 02:34:36,840
way that she rolled it out and in kind

3467
02:34:41,270 --> 02:34:38,790
of the the things that she's done since

3468
02:34:44,660 --> 02:34:41,280
then like writing a fiction a fictional

3469
02:34:46,700 --> 02:34:44,670
novel about forest people and I think

3470
02:34:48,200 --> 02:34:46,710
she's muddied the waters for herself a

3471
02:34:50,179 --> 02:34:48,210
little bit about yeah well that yeah

3472
02:34:53,900 --> 02:34:50,189
that's almost a game ender right there

3473
02:34:55,670 --> 02:34:53,910
yeah I mean but I am NOT ready to just

3474
02:34:57,620 --> 02:34:55,680
say that there's nothing to that study

3475
02:34:59,330 --> 02:34:57,630
so do you have scientists that are

3476
02:35:01,940 --> 02:34:59,340
willing to look at a Brian Sykes is an

3477
02:35:04,760 --> 02:35:01,950
example of someone that's willing to you

3478
02:35:06,110 --> 02:35:04,770
know get beyond the pooh-poohing of his

3479
02:35:09,110 --> 02:35:06,120
colleagues and that sort of thing and

3480
02:35:12,280 --> 02:35:09,120
Geoffrey is it's just a it's a my mind

3481
02:35:17,240 --> 02:35:12,290
is a real hero in this whole scenario

3482
02:35:19,520 --> 02:35:17,250
the guy has more he's he's a you know

3483
02:35:21,530 --> 02:35:19,530
John Paul Jones Dam the poured torpedoes

3484
02:35:23,690 --> 02:35:21,540
full speed ahead kind of guy and I like

3485
02:35:26,120 --> 02:35:23,700
that and I I really admire that and we

3486
02:35:28,640 --> 02:35:26,130
need more scientists like Geoffrey and

3487
02:35:30,650 --> 02:35:28,650
like Brian Sykes to

3488
02:35:32,180 --> 02:35:30,660
to draw their hat in the ring say hey

3489
02:35:34,581 --> 02:35:32,190
look this is something that needs to be

3490
02:35:36,560 --> 02:35:34,591
you know the powers of diagnostic

3491
02:35:38,541 --> 02:35:36,570
science need to be thrown at this so you

3492
02:35:40,850 --> 02:35:38,551
know stockings drop your snickering and

3493
02:35:41,270 --> 02:35:40,860
let's get let's get busy I couldn't

3494
02:35:43,850 --> 02:35:41,280
agree more

3495
02:35:45,680 --> 02:35:43,860
yeah you know I don't want to sound like

3496
02:35:48,530 --> 02:35:45,690
I'm on the soapbox or anything but I

3497
02:35:52,430 --> 02:35:48,540
just get so tired of the ivory towers of

3498
02:35:56,091 --> 02:35:52,440
science pontificating about something

3499
02:35:58,280 --> 02:35:56,101
that is relying on basically statistics

3500
02:35:59,211 --> 02:35:58,290
and in the line on the reestablishment

3501
02:36:04,190 --> 02:35:59,221
of

3502
02:36:05,871 --> 02:36:04,200
experimentation in this whole thing that

3503
02:36:07,730 --> 02:36:05,881
we're objective we're not subjective and

3504
02:36:09,621 --> 02:36:07,740
it's like we now know that everything is

3505
02:36:11,331 --> 02:36:09,631
subjective although the very fact that

3506
02:36:13,490 --> 02:36:11,341
you're observing something changes it so

3507
02:36:16,421 --> 02:36:13,500
you know I think we're in a rope

3508
02:36:18,910 --> 02:36:16,431
Quinten conks i think would be the term

3509
02:36:21,440 --> 02:36:18,920
you start looking at bigfoot and

3510
02:36:24,671 --> 02:36:21,450
paranormal subjects and the involvement

3511
02:36:28,131 --> 02:36:24,681
of science hopefully within my lifetime

3512
02:36:30,921 --> 02:36:28,141
we're going to see the hatchet be buried

3513
02:36:32,871 --> 02:36:30,931
somewhat in the two opposite sides of

3514
02:36:35,511 --> 02:36:32,881
the equation getting together and

3515
02:36:36,950 --> 02:36:35,521
co-opting their efforts to come to a

3516
02:36:39,591 --> 02:36:36,960
better understanding of this wonderful

3517
02:36:42,831 --> 02:36:39,601
reality that we live in and a book like

3518
02:36:44,990 --> 02:36:42,841
yours I think goes a long way to

3519
02:36:48,320 --> 02:36:45,000
introduce people to a subject that they

3520
02:36:53,360 --> 02:36:48,330
may not be attracted to but have kind of

3521
02:36:54,950 --> 02:36:53,370
this thing what is this about

3522
02:36:56,600 --> 02:36:54,960
well it's a good entry-level book I

3523
02:36:59,150 --> 02:36:56,610
think for people interested in the

3524
02:37:01,520 --> 02:36:59,160
subject I mean what more can can I say

3525
02:37:04,011 --> 02:37:01,530
thank you I really appreciate that

3526
02:37:05,871 --> 02:37:04,021
hey please tell our listeners if you

3527
02:37:08,360 --> 02:37:05,881
have they're interested more of the

3528
02:37:11,270 --> 02:37:08,370
stuff that you do let us know where they

3529
02:37:14,660 --> 02:37:11,280
find you my blog is called the trailhead

3530
02:37:19,850 --> 02:37:14,670
and it's just my name Averill seal avrt

3531
02:37:22,190 --> 02:37:19,860
el se al e dot wordpress.com I've got

3532
02:37:24,890 --> 02:37:22,200
some photos that are kind of like a

3533
02:37:27,261 --> 02:37:24,900
companion to the book on one page of my

3534
02:37:29,421 --> 02:37:27,271
blog my blog is not all by any means

3535
02:37:31,251 --> 02:37:29,431
it's not even mostly cryptozoology is

3536
02:37:33,770 --> 02:37:31,261
just a eclectic range of things that i

3537
02:37:35,600 --> 02:37:33,780
write about but this is the latest thing

3538
02:37:36,890 --> 02:37:35,610
on the blog and and there are some

3539
02:37:38,421 --> 02:37:36,900
photos if you want to see kind of what

3540
02:37:38,830 --> 02:37:38,431
the landscape looks like around there

3541
02:37:43,780 --> 02:37:38,840
and

3542
02:37:45,670 --> 02:37:43,790
can find us on Twitter if you look for

3543
02:37:48,280 --> 02:37:45,680
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3544
02:37:52,030 --> 02:37:48,290
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3545
02:37:55,090 --> 02:37:52,040
find Chris O'Brien at our strange planet

3546
02:37:56,950 --> 02:37:55,100
dot-com you can also find after the

3547
02:37:58,870 --> 02:37:56,960
power cast the other radio show we do

3548
02:38:00,639 --> 02:37:58,880
which is kind of an extension of this

3549
02:38:02,979 --> 02:38:00,649
one or something altogether different

3550
02:38:06,219 --> 02:38:02,989
it's unpredictable it's part of the

3551
02:38:08,139 --> 02:38:06,229
power cast plus package to learn more go

3552
02:38:12,670 --> 02:38:08,149
to plus stuff the para cast com that's

3553
02:38:15,729 --> 02:38:12,680
plus dot the para cast dot-com and you

3554
02:38:18,729 --> 02:38:15,739
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3555
02:38:20,769 --> 02:38:18,739
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3556
02:38:22,540 --> 02:38:20,779
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3557
02:38:25,660 --> 02:38:22,550
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3558
02:38:27,609 --> 02:38:25,670
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3559
02:38:29,410 --> 02:38:27,619
Chris finally found a way to make Skype

3560
02:38:31,109 --> 02:38:29,420
work because I think they were really

3561
02:38:34,660 --> 02:38:31,119
plotting against us there they were

3562
02:38:36,460 --> 02:38:34,670
tricksters over there Microsoft April

3563
02:38:38,380 --> 02:38:36,470
seal thank you for joining us in the

3564
02:38:53,340 --> 02:38:38,390
power cast gentlemen thank you for

3565
02:38:59,740 --> 02:38:56,860
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3566
02:39:02,760 --> 02:38:59,750
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3567
02:39:06,490 --> 02:39:02,770
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